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Old 03-03-2009, 12:55 AM   #1
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Sweet, we get fun with numbers.

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The Wii version is getting a 77% on metacritic, which while better than the competition, still isn't floor dropping. (http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9343...ion/index.html)
I never said it was floor dropping, I said it was an improvement. In essence, if the core game is average, improved controls will only go so far.

But here are some excerpts from the lower scoring reviews:
The Wii version holds up graphically, but its ailing gameplay makes it the worst entry yet.
Gameinformer 6.7

The controls are an interesting hook. Actually slugging it out with your targets by swinging the Wii Remote and nunchuk is fun, and the shooting elements are handled well by making the pointer aspect of the Remote a "precision targeter," rather than your sole firearms control. Lock on, and then you can move the targeting reticule with the Wii Remote for a level of precision shooting that is very slick. Fist fighting gets old quickly, but it's also not a very efficient play style, so don't worry about that. Executions get dull much less quickly when you physically slap the Wii Remote to the side to deliver the slap before you smash a spine under your boot. Compared to a traditional gamepad, I can't imagine wanting to play the game on anything but a Wii control setup.
GameSpy 3.5 out of 5

Also of note is an intelligently-conceived Wiimote control method that enhances an already decent combat system and improves on it. Wii Sports-style boxing techniques are the centrepiece of hand-to-hand combat (though the throttling is fun too) while an IR-based free targeting solution adds greatly to the gunplay - useful for headshots, kneecappings and disarming enemies.
EuroGamer 70

Point is, the Wii controls does improve the game, but at its core its a poor man's GTA.

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It's getting a 75% on gamerankings (http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9420...-2/index.html).
It's still not a great game. In fact Medal of Honor is about as generic as FPS gaming can get. Not to sound snobby, but in the huge amount of PC games I have played I have found games that have made guns feel "unique." What you enjoy about the Wii controls sounds gimicky, and it sounds like it would be a pain in the ass to execute in multiplayer . That's my opinion of course.
I have gone on record several times to state that I know the game is average in every other way, but it proves the potential for FPSes on the Wii especially when done well.

The Conduit will hopefully be a better example when it is released, but from what I played its a solid effort.

And I don't think its so much gimmicky as it is trying something new. Sure, it hardly adds to the game, but it adds to your own immersion or at least it did for me.

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No More Heroes 83% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9330...oes/index.html
Deadly Creatures 73.5% - http://www.gamerankings.com/browse.h...reatures&site=

Oh, one good game and one average game.
Well, I didn't know we based the quality of a game solely on review scores. Of the reviews I read for Deadly Creatures, they all state its a solid game with some flaws. Doesn't make it average, makes it a work in progress. And you won't find another game like it on any console as far as I know.


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This is why there are 3 consoles and people are dumb for shelling out cash for them. The cost of a console does not justify one, two or even three games. I got my Xbox for Halo/Halo 2/SSX3/Jet Grind Radio/Panzer Dragon/Racing Titles/Etc.
I happen to own all 3 consoles and no less than 5 games for each of them. So its not like I don't expand my library, but I don't see an issue with getting a console for a single game and then reaching out from there.

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I disagree. Panzer Dragoon Orta and Starfox 64 are two awesome rail shooters. They were both A+ titles, they didn't rely on gimmicky as fuck controls, and in case you missed them you should go play them.
So you name 2 rail shooters in the last 12 years or so?
While the Wii is already home to about 3 really good ones, and ports of some arcade classics.

And none of the rail shooters on the Wii rely on gimmicks unless I'm missing something. So if you don't mind expanding on that.
Not even sure if this was a disagreement or just a way to post more scores. You don't have to rebutt all points if you don't disagree?


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I'll argue with numbers, as Mario once said, "Here we go!"

Super Mario Galaxy 97.28% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9156...axy/index.html

Zelda: TP 94.5% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9285...ess/index.html
(interesting to note, TP got a slightly lower score on Wii than cube)

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption 89.64 - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9285...ion/index.html

Warioware 82.13% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9329...ves/index.html

Super Paper Mario 85.09% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9330...rio/index.html

Brawl 92.87% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9285...awl/index.html

Kart 81.80% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9420...wii/index.html

Endless Ocean 73.245% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9355...ean/index.html

Wii Play 61.10% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9355...lay/index.html

Wii Sports 76.56% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9330...rts/index.html

Wii Fit 80.83% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9420...fit/index.html

Excite Truck 75.25% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9330...uck/index.html

Mario Party 8 - 63.35% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9355...y-8/index.html

Big Brain Academy 69.25% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9355...ree/index.html

Pokemon Battle Revolution 53.44 - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9340...ion/index.html

Mario Strikers Charged - 79% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9351...ged/index.html

Donkey Kong Barrell Blast 44.56% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9330...ast/index.html

Batallion Wars 2 75.03% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9351...s-2/index.html

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn 78.98% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9329...awn/index.html

Link's Crossbow Training 69.54% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9432...ing/index.html

Mario Super Sluggers 69.55% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9458...ers/index.html

Wario Land: Shake It! 78.15% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9465...-it/index.html

Wii Music 63.53% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9509...sic/index.html

Animal Crossing 74.25% - http://www.gamerankings.com/wii/9331...olk/index.html

Here you go BaB, my rebuttle. HARD numbers from LOTS of reviews. What do you see? Hopefully the same thing as me. The games that got scores generally above 85% are Nintendo franchise titles.
I see the numbers, but a general flaw in your arguement I would stress is that most games are viewed from the perspective of what people dubbed "hardcore" (god I hate those terms) gamers.

Yeah, it may be making excuses but the fact that Wii Play or Wii Fit or even the Wii sells hundreds of thousands a month shows that reviews have little impact on people. And more importantly,they are not always a proper barometer for what people will enjoy.

I won't even bother reading the reviews nor will I defend all the games on the list, but I'm pretty sure if you go through the list a bunch of the reviews will state:
-Has iffy graphics.
-Shallow gameplay with no real purpose
-Lacks content

As reasons for the low score, some people don't realize that the average person doesn't have 50 hours to pour into an RPG nor would it satisfy them if it did.

This generation has screwed things up because everyone believes bigger is better. Its why the Xbox and PS3 get the bulk of the 3rd party support, but go to any gaming website and watch the news as studio after studio either goes under or is sold off because they can not keep up with the ballooning cost of making these "epic" games that everyone craves.
That's another rant for another day.

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Oh yeahhhhhh, repeat after me: Nintendo's "innovative" and "original" titles have been very average. Nintendo is scraping by making Zelda and Mario titles.
Nintendo is making more from their Wii line than they do from Zelda and Mario. Just watch the NPD to see Wii Fit or Wii Play run circles around those games. Is it something, I'm necessarily happy about?

No, but it does give Nintendo more money and more time to focus on their big games.

Sunshine is my least favorite of the 3D Mario games, and I feel its because Nintendo took up the policy during the Cube era of releasing a game when they said so. Galaxy was released over a year after intended and the quality shines through. The reason is that Nintendo was not hurting for the sales boost.

And its a bit early in the year, but I expect we will hear a lot more about their IPs this year, and I am certain they will shine like they have never shined before.


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Marketing psychology? Wii Sports was a fun diversion for a couple of weeks, in fact I still enjoy Wii Golf. Does it justify the purchase of said console? ehhh....but hey, look at the reviews again, Wii Sports/Play were received lukewarmly.
Wii Sports is a fun diversion for people like us.
We crave new games. Hell, I have a gaming library that is ever expanding and I know I will never be able to catch-up but I need the next big thing.
But there are people out there who could get by on one or two games year.
Wii Sports also happens to be the ultimate gateway game, its something simple enough for anyone to learn, but if you try you can truly become an expert at some of the games.

I went on my little tangent about reviews before, but while they may have been reviewed lukewarmly. They are the best two selling games of the generation.

Compare it to games like Halo 3 or GTA IV or Mass Effect or Uncharted or Little Big Planet. They all were marketed well. All reviewed well, but they were a flash in the pan this generation.

They sold hot (and that isn't always the case with these games) for the first month than sank faster than the stock market.

At the end of the day, Bungie found its freedom only to make more games for MS. They are opening a new studio to help with the development of Mass Effect 2 because it got too big.

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How about everyone who shelled out hard earned cash on the Wii.
There are a ton of games on the Wii that I won't touch nor you, but there is a market for them.
Games like Order Up or Cooking Mama. The Rabbids series sells well. We Ski. The list goes on, sure you will find some reviews, but once again these aren't games made for the old-time gamers.

And I'm happy for that, we need games to appeal for all people.

I've said my piece about the Wii's line-up near the end of 08, but this is 09 and it is already off to a much better start.

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I think it is a two-way street more than you know. I know Sony and M$ were out there trying to get 3rd party support. The proof is in the pudding, and by pudding I mean the new generation graphic/cpu. Something the Wii does not have.
MS and Sony don't have to continue to fight an uphill battle. While games come and tank on both consoles all the time, no one ever pulls their games don't sell to the userbase crap on those consoles.

And while Wii software (both first and third party) has outsold the PS3 and Xbox since like Oct of last year, people will still insist games don't sell on the Wii.

And if not that, 3rd parties will say the Wii isn't for the hardcore gamer or it wouldn't appeal to the audience.

Of course, it is easy to keep that image alive when no one wants to release a game on the Wii on the caliber of their 360 or PS3 counterparts.

Just look at friggin Dead Rising, they dropped the zombies to hell and released the game only a mere 3 years after the original. It won't sell well or at least I pray it doesn't then people will point their fingers and dub it evidence that games don't sell on the Wii.

That and like I mentioned before, people picked their pony at the start of this generation. It is coming back to bite them severely in the ass, but they don't want to confess up to it. Instead they want to pour more money into making the next game even more impressive.

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Sonic is your great redeemer? You are setting yourself up for disapointment.
4 games.. and you pick out 1... 4 games...

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*looks at Wii Play/Wii Sports review

Anyway, just some thoughts.......
Not surehow Wii Play and Wii Sports are comparable to EA's lineup.
Tiger Woods gets solid reviews. Boom Blox as you pointed out yourself is doing well. While most won't agree with it, Dead Space being a rail shooter may work in its favor on the console. I'm sure the EA Tennis game will do really well. Etc....etc...
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:22 AM   #2
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Sweet, we get fun with numbers.


I never said it was floor dropping, I said it was an improvement. In essence, if the core game is average, improved controls will only go so far.

But here are some excerpts from the lower scoring reviews:
The Wii version holds up graphically, but its ailing gameplay makes it the worst entry yet.
Gameinformer 6.7

The controls are an interesting hook. Actually slugging it out with your targets by swinging the Wii Remote and nunchuk is fun, and the shooting elements are handled well by making the pointer aspect of the Remote a "precision targeter," rather than your sole firearms control. Lock on, and then you can move the targeting reticule with the Wii Remote for a level of precision shooting that is very slick. Fist fighting gets old quickly, but it's also not a very efficient play style, so don't worry about that. Executions get dull much less quickly when you physically slap the Wii Remote to the side to deliver the slap before you smash a spine under your boot. Compared to a traditional gamepad, I can't imagine wanting to play the game on anything but a Wii control setup.
GameSpy 3.5 out of 5

Also of note is an intelligently-conceived Wiimote control method that enhances an already decent combat system and improves on it. Wii Sports-style boxing techniques are the centrepiece of hand-to-hand combat (though the throttling is fun too) while an IR-based free targeting solution adds greatly to the gunplay - useful for headshots, kneecappings and disarming enemies.
EuroGamer 70

Point is, the Wii controls does improve the game, but at its core its a poor man's GTA.
Not disagreeing. Just saying, I wouldn't buy it for the controls alone.


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I have gone on record several times to state that I know the game is average in every other way, but it proves the potential for FPSes on the Wii especially when done well.

The Conduit will hopefully be a better example when it is released, but from what I played its a solid effort.

And I don't think its so much gimmicky as it is trying something new. Sure, it hardly adds to the game, but it adds to your own immersion or at least it did for me.
Potential, maybe. PC > Console for FPS, and yes I'm a prick for saying that.


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Well, I didn't know we based the quality of a game solely on review scores. Of the reviews I read for Deadly Creatures, they all state its a solid game with some flaws. Doesn't make it average, makes it a work in progress. And you won't find another game like it on any console as far as I know.
Fair enough, I'm mostly just nitpicking with review scores but I think it's a fair index.


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I happen to own all 3 consoles and no less than 5 games for each of them. So its not like I don't expand my library, but I don't see an issue with getting a console for a single game and then reaching out from there.
i guess...

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So you name 2 rail shooters in the last 12 years or so?
While the Wii is already home to about 3 really good ones, and ports of some arcade classics.

And none of the rail shooters on the Wii rely on gimmicks unless I'm missing something. So if you don't mind expanding on that.
Porting arcade classics is gimmicky. Anyway 4 more recent rail shooters I can think of are Metal Slug, Ikaruga, Rez and Pokemon Snap.

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Not even sure if this was a disagreement or just a way to post more scores. You don't have to rebutt all points if you don't disagree?
I'm just posting for sake of everyone else



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I see the numbers, but a general flaw in your arguement I would stress is that most games are viewed from the perspective of what people dubbed "hardcore" (god I hate those terms) gamers.

Yeah, it may be making excuses but the fact that Wii Play or Wii Fit or even the Wii sells hundreds of thousands a month shows that reviews have little impact on people. And more importantly,they are not always a proper barometer for what people will enjoy.

I won't even bother reading the reviews nor will I defend all the games on the list, but I'm pretty sure if you go through the list a bunch of the reviews will state:
-Has iffy graphics.
-Shallow gameplay with no real purpose
-Lacks content

As reasons for the low score, some people don't realize that the average person doesn't have 50 hours to pour into an RPG nor would it satisfy them if it did.

This generation has screwed things up because everyone believes bigger is better. Its why the Xbox and PS3 get the bulk of the 3rd party support, but go to any gaming website and watch the news as studio after studio either goes under or is sold off because they can not keep up with the ballooning cost of making these "epic" games that everyone craves.
That's another rant for another day.
I'm not going to completely disagree with your point. But it goes both ways. I assume that migth also be the reason why people bought a Wii, enjoyed Wii sports for a month, and now their Wii sits and collects dust. I've heard this from many people so....

Also, for a hardcore gamer...bigger often is better. Did we not have an argument, "has Nintendo alienated the hardcore gamer?"


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Nintendo is making more from their Wii line than they do from Zelda and Mario. Just watch the NPD to see Wii Fit or Wii Play run circles around those games. Is it something, I'm necessarily happy about?

No, but it does give Nintendo more money and more time to focus on their big games.

Sunshine is my least favorite of the 3D Mario games, and I feel its because Nintendo took up the policy during the Cube era of releasing a game when they said so. Galaxy was released over a year after intended and the quality shines through. The reason is that Nintendo was not hurting for the sales boost.

And its a bit early in the year, but I expect we will hear a lot more about their IPs this year, and I am certain they will shine like they have never shined before.
It would be cool if Nintendo made a new franchise besides Zelda or Mario. And Wii stuff doesn't count. Maybe one day.

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Wii Sports is a fun diversion for people like us.
We crave new games. Hell, I have a gaming library that is ever expanding and I know I will never be able to catch-up but I need the next big thing.
But there are people out there who could get by on one or two games year.
Wii Sports also happens to be the ultimate gateway game, its something simple enough for anyone to learn, but if you try you can truly become an expert at some of the games.

I went on my little tangent about reviews before, but while they may have been reviewed lukewarmly. They are the best two selling games of the generation.
Wii Sports is fun. Wii Play was totally unnecessary. They fill a certain "niche." Especially when it comes to social gaming. For hard gaming though, they fall short (except for golf...oh man i love that shit).

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Compare it to games like Halo 3 or GTA IV or Mass Effect or Uncharted or Little Big Planet. They all were marketed well. All reviewed well, but they were a flash in the pan this generation.

They sold hot (and that isn't always the case with these games) for the first month than sank faster than the stock market.

At the end of the day, Bungie found its freedom only to make more games for MS. They are opening a new studio to help with the development of Mass Effect 2 because it got too big.
I don't disagree. I think Halo 3 and GTAIV are both overrated, lack innovation, and fail. I didn't post in this thread to prove the PS3/Xbox360 are better than the Wii. I think all 3 consoles lack special magic this gen. But yeah. Mass Effect seems to be pretty good though, so I won't touch that .

(also, I think M$ ruined Bungie but eh...)


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There are a ton of games on the Wii that I won't touch nor you, but there is a market for them.
Games like Order Up or Cooking Mama. The Rabbids series sells well. We Ski. The list goes on, sure you will find some reviews, but once again these aren't games made for the old-time gamers.

And I'm happy for that, we need games to appeal for all people.

I've said my piece about the Wii's line-up near the end of 08, but this is 09 and it is already off to a much better start.
fair enough


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MS and Sony don't have to continue to fight an uphill battle. While games come and tank on both consoles all the time, no one ever pulls their games don't sell to the userbase crap on those consoles.

And while Wii software (both first and third party) has outsold the PS3 and Xbox since like Oct of last year, people will still insist games don't sell on the Wii.

And if not that, 3rd parties will say the Wii isn't for the hardcore gamer or it wouldn't appeal to the audience.

Of course, it is easy to keep that image alive when no one wants to release a game on the Wii on the caliber of their 360 or PS3 counterparts.

Just look at friggin Dead Rising, they dropped the zombies to hell and released the game only a mere 3 years after the original. It won't sell well or at least I pray it doesn't then people will point their fingers and dub it evidence that games don't sell on the Wii.

That and like I mentioned before, people picked their pony at the start of this generation. It is coming back to bite them severely in the ass, but they don't want to confess up to it. Instead they want to pour more money into making the next game even more impressive.
I'm not confessing to anything and no pony bit me in the ass. We have a thread here full of people unhappy with the Wii.


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4 games.. and you pick out 1... 4 games...
Oh, did I say Sonic? I meant Sega....


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Not surehow Wii Play and Wii Sports are comparable to EA's lineup.
Tiger Woods gets solid reviews. Boom Blox as you pointed out yourself is doing well. While most won't agree with it, Dead Space being a rail shooter may work in its favor on the console. I'm sure the EA Tennis game will do really well. Etc....etc...
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Old 03-03-2009, 03:13 AM   #3
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Not disagreeing. Just saying, I wouldn't buy it for the controls alone.
Not saying you should, but was pointing out that the controls do help the game.

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Potential, maybe. PC > Console for FPS, and yes I'm a prick for saying that.
I would go PC> Wii>> Consoles
I would even give a slight toss up between PC/Wii just because I much prefer analog stick over WASD for movement.

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Porting arcade classics is gimmicky. Anyway 4 more recent rail shooters I can think of are Metal Slug, Ikaruga, Rez and Pokemon Snap.
Unless our definitions are different I wouldn't really count any of those as a Rail shooter.
The closest on the list would be PokeMon Snap, but even then its kind of a stretch.

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I'm not going to completely disagree with your point. But it goes both ways. I assume that might also be the reason why people bought a Wii, enjoyed Wii sports for a month, and now their Wii sits and collects dust. I've heard this from many people so....
No one said the average consumer was intelligent.
Sure the same thing happened with Wii Fit.
Hell the same could be said of anything really.
I'm not disagreeing just saying it happens.

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Also, for a hardcore gamer...bigger often is better. Did we not have an argument, "has Nintendo alienated the hardcore gamer?"
I'm not saying bigger isn't better at times, but people need to know when and why. Don't just go bigger because it is expected. Do it because it improves the quality of the game.

And I still don't think Nintendo has alienated the hardcore gamer.

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It would be cool if Nintendo made a new franchise besides Zelda or Mario. And Wii stuff doesn't count. Maybe one day.
Nintendo has made a few new IPs this gen. Sadly, it doesn't seem like us mere mortals in America will be bare witness to some.
Disaster: Day of Crisis is out everywhere but America. Captain Rainbow will never make it over for obvious reasons.

Then there are a ton of new games/IPs in the Nintendo 09 trailer including Another Memory and the Space shooter.

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Wii Sports is fun. Wii Play was totally unnecessary. They fill a certain "niche." Especially when it comes to social gaming. For hard gaming though, they fall short (except for golf...oh man i love that shit).
I won't disagree with those two points, but why can't they be for hardcore gamers?
I enjoy simple games like Bomberman or Tetris, while you can argue for Tetris, Bomberman is pretty casual for me.


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I'm not confessing to anything and no pony bit me in the ass. We have a thread here full of people unhappy with the Wii.
I was referrring to the developers/publishers with this point.

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Oh, did I say Sonic? I meant Sega....
Say what you will, but Sega has a pretty decent track record with games that don't involve Sonic.
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Old 03-03-2009, 01:47 PM   #4
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I would go PC> Wii>> Consoles
I would even give a slight toss up between PC/Wii just because I much prefer analog stick over WASD for movement.
Really? Ehhh...I always thought using an analog stick has lowered my accuracy. I mean I dealed with it in Halo, but I always felt like my thumb was my weakest link.

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Unless our definitions are different I wouldn't really count any of those as a Rail shooter.
The closest on the list would be PokeMon Snap, but even then its kind of a stretch.
Hahah, yeah....well, I was just trying to defend myself. Still, Starfox 64 and Panzer Dragon make up for my short list.


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No one said the average consumer was intelligent.
Sure the same thing happened with Wii Fit.
Hell the same could be said of anything really.
I'm not disagreeing just saying it happens.
Hmm...again, I think this was just great marketing by Nintendo. I think it is both the fault of dumb consumers and good marketers.

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Nintendo has made a few new IPs this gen. Sadly, it doesn't seem like us mere mortals in America will be bare witness to some.
Disaster: Day of Crisis is out everywhere but America. Captain Rainbow will never make it over for obvious reasons.
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I won't disagree with those two points, but why can't they be for hardcore gamers?
I enjoy simple games like Bomberman or Tetris, while you can argue for Tetris, Bomberman is pretty casual for me.
They can be for hardcore gamers, and I'm sure most hardcore gamers have played Tetris and Bomberman. Tetris is still an arcade game, and while some people may invest a life's worth of time in the game, I think most people enjoy casually playing it as a diversion from more serious games. But any game can technically appeal to a hardcore gamer.


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Say what you will, but Sega has a pretty decent track record with games that don't involve Sonic.
Especially back in the Genesis days.

If Nintendo built a time machine I would buy that shit, give it an A+, and love Nintendo forever. I would also forgive them for all their shortcomings over the past 3 gens.
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Fuuuuuck. Shut uuuuuuup.


THERE ARE NO SIDES HERE.

Some of us are satisfied with the Wii, some of us are dissatisfied with it.

There's no winnable argument, just looking like a jackass because you're trying to present evidence contrary to somebody's personal opinion about a GAMING MACHINE.

Maybe some people are cool with having a system you only play one game on, maybe some people aren't. Who cares.

I made this thread because I was bummed out that the Wii didn't live up to my personal expectations. There's nothing to prove or disprove.

I mean, stating your opinion is cool. But why are there multi paragraph arguments?

Does anybody need to spend this much time defending a game company that doesn't need your defense? Does anybody need to take an extensive amount of time trying to defame it?
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:37 PM   #6
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Dylflons right. lets all side with him!
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:41 PM   #7
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Fuuuuuck. Shut uuuuuuup.
I think you stressed the wrong letters in your cussing.


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THERE ARE NO SIDES HERE.
There are always sides... Good and evil. Right and wrong. Righteous and... er... don't know the opposite.

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Some of us are satisfied with the Wii, some of us are dissatisfied with it.
Wouldn't that be sides than? Or am I missing the definition.

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There's no winnable argument, just looking like a jackass because you're trying to present evidence contrary to somebody's personal opinion about a GAMING MACHINE.
Are debates winnable?
Have you ever had a debate with someone, laid out your points precisely. They did the exact same, then both parties had a moment of clarity where they agreed on a simple solution?
If you have please enlighten me.

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Maybe some people are cool with having a system you only play one game on, maybe some people aren't. Who cares.
Well, I assume you cared enough to make this thread.
And you did ask for opinions in the topic title...

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I made this thread because I was bummed out that the Wii didn't live up to my personal expectations. There's nothing to prove or disprove.
I can prove that your own personal expectations are so very very wrong.







Okay, I just wanted to be a dick with this post so eh.
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Old 03-03-2009, 02:42 PM   #8
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THERE ARE NO SIDES HERE.
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Maybe some people are cool with having a system you only play one game on, maybe some people aren't.

hmmm...lol
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Old 03-03-2009, 07:22 PM   #9
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Fuuuuuck. Shut uuuuuuup.


THERE ARE NO SIDES HERE.

Some of us are satisfied with the Wii, some of us are dissatisfied with it.
You say there's no sides, but then you present a binary situation? Hahaha. I think what everybody is arguing about is that there's varying degrees between "satisfied" and "dissatisfied." Just take a look at the first page where people are stating specifically what the Wii can't do technology wise.

I honestly think there's nothing to argue about, either. My argument is that people aren't opening their eyes to the awesome games available on it and just basing their opinion on a smaller fraction of the games that they've played. Specifically, Paper Mario on the Virtual Console is an awesome game that can be had for $10. As well, Mario RPG is only $8. In terms of Wii games, Excite Truck, Elebits, RE:4 Wii Edition, and Ghost Squad are all overlooked games that can be had for really cheap.

But this is where the Wii downfalls - no downloadable demos. I can get a good idea of everything available on the 360 by downloading specific demos. However, there's no way I can base my opinion on something I haven't played on the Wii. And it's unrealistic to assume people will have a lot of Wii games.

I think this is the root of the problem in this thread. Specific people have only played specific games. And they base their opinions solely on those experiences.
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