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[Professor S]

Fine, here then:

Below are two more news clips making reference to the racist statements in Mr. Paul's newsletter. These problems have clearly been out there since the mid-1990s, but Mr. Paul has been below the radar until now. If he's really going to stay in the debates, perhaps the moderators can deal with this...

Candidate Had Newsletter With Controversial Stance On Blacks

196 words

24 May 1996

CongressDaily/A.M. English

Copyright (c) 1996 National Journal Inc.

A 1992 political newsletter by former Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, included portrayals of African-Americans as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about political issues, the Houston Chronicle reported Thursday. Paul, a former Libertarian Party presidential candidate who defeated Democratic-turned-Republican Rep. Greg Laughlin in the March primary, in November will face Democratic attorney Charles (Lefty) Morris, whose campaign is distributing Paul's writings.

Under the headline "Terrorist Update," Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and wrote, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." About blacks in Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Paul said Wednesday that his comments came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time," and that he opposes racism.

In later newsletters, Paul wrote that lobbying groups who seek special favors are evil, and that "by far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835179/posts

And thats just one of MANY racist thoughts and publications that he's had. if you like, I can dig up more evidence. It also tells you a lot that outside of a few press releases he has never gone out of his way to disassociate himself from his MANY neo-nazi and white supremacist supporters. me? I'd be having PRES CONFERENCES to condemn them.

For the record, I don't believe that you are a racist in the least for supporting Paul, I just think he is very good at deceiving the populace and those that have a traditional conservative/constitutional view of government and lean towards isolationism. I'd also be wary of anyone on the far right isolationist wing who rails against "neo-cons", because that seems to be used in the stead of "jews" in many cases.

[Seth]

The quotes in that article were written by a 'staffer' and not Ron Paul. Also, he publicly apologized immediately for the oversight after its release.
And saying that the Israeli government is a bad lobbyist group in Washington doesn't even remotely get close to anti-semitism. And replacing 'jews' in for 'neo-cons' isn't cool.
His comments about black people,.. being able to safely assume...
Taken in context he was referring to a statistics from a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives. He wasn't saying that 95% of African American men were criminally oriented....at all.
Paul also worked the moonlight shift at the local emergency room in San Antonia for $3/hour. Which is peanuts for someone in his profession and level of experience.
Read the entire article you posted and a more contextual conclusion can be made.

ahhh wiki:
Military service and medical career

Paul considered becoming a Lutheran minister like two of his brothers[9] (Jerrold has a doctorate in counseling and attended Princeton Seminary; David pastors Trinity Lutheran Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan).[6][12] Instead he decided to pursue a medical degree at Duke University School of Medicine in Durham, North Carolina, attaining it in 1961. He interned and began residency training, both in internal medicine, at Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit (1961–1962);[28] Carol meanwhile ran a dance school in their basement and raised collies.[7]

The medical training was soon interrupted when he received a draft notice and entered the U.S. Air Force during the Cuban Missile Crisis.[29] He remained in the military during the early years of the Vietnam War.[30] He served active duty as a flight surgeon from 1963 to 1965, attending to the ear, nose, and throat problems of pilots in South Korea, Iran, Ethiopia, and Turkey, but was never sent to Vietnam. Based out of Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Paul achieved the rank of captain[8][31] and obtained his private pilot's license.[14] The experience of performing physicals on helicopter pilot candidates, at a time when he saw many copters being shot down, deeply affected Paul; he later considered his indirect association with Vietnam as a catalyst for his rejection of interventionist foreign policy.[32]

Paul received a higher wage from the Air Force than during his initial residency, $700 per month;[33] he joked that he was "fantastically rich".[14] While in San Antonio, he also moonlighted three nights a week in a local church hospital's emergency room for $3 per hour, and became involved with Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign.[12] He then served in the Air National Guard while completing his residency (1965–1968), having switched to ob/gyn at the University of Pittsburgh.[34] His residency research into causes of pregnancy toxemia was subsequently published in the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology.

He moved to Surfside Beach, Texas, on July 3, 1968, and eventually delivered more than 4,000 babies.[35] Assuming the practice of a retiring doctor in Lake Jackson, Texas, in a single day, Paul became the only ob/gyn doctor in Brazoria County,[14] reportedly delivering 40–50 babies a month and frequently busy with surgery.[25] His practice refused Medicare and Medicaid payments; he worked pro bono, arranged discounted or custom-payment plans for needy patients,[22] or otherwise "just took care of them".



http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=377205
"In one issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report, which he had published since 1985, he called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and a "half-educated victimologist." In another issue, he cited reports that 85 percent of all black men in Washington, D.C., are arrested at some point: "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." And under the headline "Terrorist Update," he wrote: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, "I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady." Paul says that item ended up there because "we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything."

His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: "They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.'" It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time. "

[Professor S]

Honestly, this coversation about Paukl is cyclical. he does things that are obviusly bigotted and then he apologizes for them. I still haven't heard a decent explanation how he could possibly allow his column to be printed in the American Free Press for so long. Yes, its guilt by association, but when you spend YEARS associated with known nazi-sympathizers, you deserve such guilt.

To answer your questions:

1) Bohemian Grove - Yes, the Bohemian Society exists, but its a fraternity where the powerful go to act like idiots. Just as Harry Shearer (of Simpsons fame) was once a guest who made movie lamponing all the conspiracy theories about the place. Everyone who has ever been a guest there and talked about it basically says they just drink and act like kids. Some people just think that because a fraternal orgamization is secret or exclusive, it is automatically evil. Reminds me of much of the idiocy surrounding theories about Freemasons. My dad is a mason. They have beef and beers and give to charity.

2) Alex Jones - Complete moron. Utter idiot. Borderline insane. Worse than Michael savage, and Savage is a fascist.

3) 9/11 - I wish people would stop believing the nonsense about 9/11. Go here for the REAL TRUTH

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

A few highlights:

No, fore cannot melt steel, but it can weaken it by 50% or more, which is enough for failure. The overpass collapse in Cali is an excellent example of this.

Building 7: Was crumpling before is fell. There is photographic evidence of this. Plus I have a friend who was evacuated from 12 and she said she saw 7 and it was a complete disaster long before it came down.

[Seth]

I don't see how he does things that are obviously bigotted but you're right, it's cyclical to go on.

Well, of course BG exists. I'd like to know what you think of the cremation of care though? A human effigy being sacrificed to a 45 foot stone owl. Yeah, they drink beer and 'cast off their worries" but the inclusion of that kind of ancient religious ceremony is a bit whack no matter how you look at it.
I won't get into freemasonry, because you're right, they do a lot of charitable work. My uncle's a shriner(same body) and they're all about helping the community. How much do you know about masonry beyond their low level activities?

Alex Jones is questionably insane. His news headlines are mostly sensationalism. But he had the balls to go into the grove and film imo.

What do you guys think of Aaron Russo and his assertations?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Seth

Well, of course BG exists. I'd like to know what you think of the cremation of care though? A human effigy being sacrificed to a 45 foot stone owl. Yeah, they drink beer and 'cast off their worries" but the inclusion of that kind of ancient religious ceremony is a bit whack no matter how you look at it.

I think its a bit silly, but as a member of a fraternity myself, we did similar things to symbolize mental objectives. Cremation of Care is an opportunity to literally destroy their worries and stresses in a symbolic sense, I considering how high powered the people are I can kind of understand it. At worst, its a frivolous bit of idolic symbolism, and if it bothers you that much you should have more issues with Catholicism than the Bohemian Society.

I won't get into freemasonry, because you're right, they do a lot of charitable work. My uncle's a shriner(same body) and they're all about helping the community. How much do you know about masonry beyond their low level activities?

I've done some research into Freemasonry, and most of the criticisms fall into one of two categories: 1) Things that went on centuries ago and 2) Speculation and conspiracy theory based on paranoia created by centuries old history. I've heard all the conspiracy theories about the dollar bill and the New World Order, and after doing a lot of research into the time period and lierally recorded history about the design of US symbology, those theries show more of an ignorance of the time period and intent of our founding fathers than anything else.

Alex Jones is questionably insane. His news headlines are mostly sensationalism. But he had the balls to go into the grove and film imo.

I'd have balls to run through a black university in a KKK robe and hood, but that doesn't make me any less a bigotted idiot/psycho.

What do you guys think of Aaron Russo and his assertations?

Never heard of him.

EDIT: Oh, he's the one who thinks there is no legal basis for taxes... except the 16th amendment. While I certainly sympathize with his wishes for no taxes and think we are taxed FAR too much, his argument is essentially baseless.

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsieg...taxes/16th.htm


What did you think of the Popular Mechanics debunking of 9/11 myths I posted?

[Seth]

I read through that before, and since you posted it I went through it again. The explanations for the pentagon don't add up to me. The images of the structural and aesthetic damage don't reflect a 757. I have a hard time believing that wing structure dissolved upon impact without causing more lateral damage to the exterior. Doesn't add up. The punch out at the C ring interior happened without lateral damage? A carbon nose cone managed to penetrate all that space with the resulting damage? ay o
K, you've probably looked at your share of 9/11 'conspiracy' footage.
http://911lies.org/full_size_911_pen...k_damage5.html
Check that site out just quick like and check the images out. To me, the official line isn't consistent with the visual evidence. Also, why haven't the traffic/surveillance cameras been made public? If their story is so legit than why keep that evidence from the general viewing? It would only further help their case right?...yeah yeah speculation but I stand by rational thought. They did 'it' with the Gulf of Tonkin...and track record means something.
And the reason I bring Russo up is because he was buddy buddy with Nick Rockefeller. Nick told Russo that a 9/11 event would happen 11 months prior to the incident. He also said that they'd use it as an excuse to invade Afghanistan to ensure pipelines from the caspian and later Iraq which forms a nice little allied circle around Iran. hmmm I guess Russo could be making a big public lie about it.
And, I have a huge problem with Catholicism. In fact, they held more than one mass at Bohemian Grove, which is something Alex Jones won't mention. The difference between BG and Catho is that the former practices fake human sacrifices to a Babylonian deity out in the woods with nothing but sausage for miles around, the latter merely abuses children...and breaks 2 of the commandments they profess to adere. On a theological level the Catholic church is extremely hypocritical and it rather disgusts me that the leaders of America like to suck pope dick the moment he lands on American soil.
The research and information regarding freemasonry, illuminism, and the connected circle of secret societies is treading on some potentially offensive grounds. The NWO movement is very real and when you study the ideologies of the plan it becomes concerning. "order out of chaos" - G.W.Bush

[Dylflon]

PAAAARRRRAAAGRAAAAAAAPH BAAAAATTTTLLLE!

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Seth

I read through that before, and since you posted it I went through it again. The explanations for the pentagon don't add up to me. The images of the structural and aesthetic damage don't reflect a 757. I have a hard time believing that wing structure dissolved upon impact without causing more lateral damage to the exterior. Doesn't add up. The punch out at the C ring interior happened without lateral damage? A carbon nose cone managed to penetrate all that space with the resulting damage? ay o

The fact is no one knows what would happen when a 757 collides with a building made to withstand a missile attack, like the Pentagon. In any other building there may have been lateral damage,m but we don't know as we have no real example for comparison. The facts are that debris from the plane was everywhere after the crash, in tiny little pieces, as shown in the photos provided in the link. To jump to the conclusion that is was a conspiracy from the US government is a bit, mad, I'm afraid.

K, you've probably looked at your share of 9/11 'conspiracy' footage.
http://911lies.org/full_size_911_pen...k_damage5.html
Check that site out just quick like and check the images out. To me, the official line isn't consistent with the visual evidence. Also, why haven't the traffic/surveillance cameras been made public? If their story is so legit than why keep that evidence from the general viewing? It would only further help their case right?...yeah yeah speculation but I stand by rational thought. They did 'it' with the Gulf of Tonkin...and track record means something.

A record that is almost 50 years old? Seriously? By that logic they might start beheading the Bourgeoisie again any day now...

And the reason I bring Russo up is because he was buddy buddy with Nick Rockefeller. Nick told Russo that a 9/11 event would happen 11 months prior to the incident. He also said that they'd use it as an excuse to invade Afghanistan to ensure pipelines from the caspian and later Iraq which forms a nice little allied circle around Iran. hmmm I guess Russo could be making a big public lie about it.

I wouldn't doubt it, as it sounds crazy enought to me, and coming from a guy who denies the 16th amendment it sounds just about right.

In the end though, 911 conspiracy theories fall apart with any logical questioning of them? Whhen you take the microscope away from the government, and put it on the theories, they are assinine?

1) If they were military planes, what happened to the real ones and everyone on board? I suppose they were able to reroute the planes, kill or silence any and all aircraft controllers who helped, create false cell phone logs for passengers on the plane and then kill all the passengers and destroy the planes leaving no evidence and then kill everyone who disassembled the planes, and then all the people who killed everyone killed themselves. Thats the only way word doesn't get out.

2) Osama Bin Laden, with a 20 year history of terrorism against the US crossing all presidential administrations in that time period, becomes an employee of the USA and joins in so that the US can have a good excuse to go into the Mid East and blow the shit out of his people.

3) And the US is able to cover everything up, the demolitions, the government planes, plant false evidence on a MASSIVE AND DETAILED SCALE... and this is the same government that can't figure out how to build a fence on the border or provide decent healthcare... Watch the Sout Park episode.

And, I have a huge problem with Catholicism. In fact, they held more than one mass at Bohemian Grove, which is something Alex Jones won't mention. The difference between BG and Catho is that the former practices fake human sacrifices to a Babylonian deity

Wrong, the deity you mention has nothing to do with the Cremation of Care, it was meant to symbolize knowledge. Just look up the Wiki on it. The god you are referring to, Moloch, had the head of a BULL and had nothing to do with Owls at all. It was literally the Golden Calf pictured in the Ten Commandments. I know where you got your information on this, and its a huge lie. Honestly, try and find opposing informatiuon for your views, because its easy to find info that debunks some these crazy theories.

The research and information regarding freemasonry, illuminism, and the connected circle of secret societies is treading on some potentially offensive grounds. The NWO movement is very real and when you study the ideologies of the plan it becomes concerning. "order out of chaos" - G.W.Bush

Order out of chaos was said by GW because it was on the dollar bill and the seal of the United States. It is a symbol of the Revolution, creating the new union out of the colonies.

http://altreligion.about.com/library.../aa111604a.htm

Illuminism was part of a small sect of of german masons in the late 18th century which quickly dissappeared. Any other belief in the illuminati owes more the popular historically inspired fiction than reality.

While I thank you for sharing your thoughts, I'm honestly worried about you, Seth. Your conspiratorial beliefs border on mental illness, IMO, and I don;t intend that as an insult but as a show of concern. Theories like your do nothing but create a sense of powerlessness; "no matter what I do sectret powers will keep me/us down". There is no way to dissuade you of these theories, because their nature is secret and insunuation has more basis than fact. Its become a religion. The farther the leap in logic, the more powerful the "truth" as everything is masterfully created by powerful men in dark robes. The simply expained debunking of these theories loses validity simply becasue they are not as complex and "puzzle like" as the theory.

If you look at any event in history, and say: "How does this show a shadow conspiracy", I guarantee you you'll be able to pull together a specious argument for it. Unfortunately the government is to blame for this paranoia, as Watergate and event slike the Gulf of Tonkin have made people question anything the government tried to do or says, regardless of directly condemning evidence.

I love stories like this in books and film, they are honestly compelling, but they are just stories and I would hope you would eventually get your feet on the ground again. I mean that with all sincerity and empathy.

And Dyflon, you know I'll win any paragraph battle on GT. Lets be honest