BREAKING: Clinton pwns Obama

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Neo

Every head-to-head matchup I've seen shows that Obama would beat McCain, but McCain would trounce Hillary. She doesn't exactly have the ability to grow her base of support since half of this country absolutely despises her and would not vote for her under any circumstances.

While it's true that Obama's inexperience and perceived Muslim ties may eventually catch up to him, that's all speculation at this point. I'm basing my opinions on the currently available data.

Put McCain on a stage against Obama, and it will make McCain appear even older than he really is.

These are polls taken before the general election, meaning they are worthless when comparing two members of different parties.

McCain will go after Obama is ways that Hillary can't out of fear of alienating her base. McCain will have no such concerns and it will be ugly. America is not a liberal nation, and Obama is the most liberal senator there is and his state and national record reflect that. The National Journal even wrote a study on it. McCain will have no problem going after Obamas record on taxes, social issues, etc.

He's already shown to be vulnerable to national security issues with Hillary's red phone commercial. Imagine what McCain can do when he's even more hawkish than Clinton?

In the genral election, its going to be a very different story if Obama wins.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/8843.html

If attacks by Clinton work, how more will they work coming from someone who actually disagrees with him?

[Neo]

Originally Posted by Professor S

These are polls taken before the general election, meaning they are worthless when comparing two members of different parties.

I don't know what this means, they're just as valid as any other polls and are generally accurate. Do you mean polls taken before the primaries? Polls taken before the election match up pretty well. And the "half this country hates Hillary" portion has been true for a long time. Much harder to reverse that than it is to bring down Obama.

Fuck Ohio. They always fuck everything up. I hate playing shows there and driving through the state. It sucks.

The Germanator: "F U Ohio, F U!!"

Ohio: "F.....Me??"

Ohio: *thinks about it*

Ohio: "NO! F U!!!

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Neo

I don't know what this means, they're just as valid as any other polls and are generally accurate. Do you mean polls taken before the primaries? Polls taken before the election match up pretty well. And the "half this country hates Hillary" portion has been true for a long time. Much harder to reverse that than it is to bring down Obama.

It means exactly what I described further down in my post. They are polls based on a man who has not had to defend his past voting record or political beliefs, because his current opponent does not disagree with him.

Obama rarely talks about issues, and in fact, instructs his campaign workers to avoid the issues and concentrate on such specific topics as hopes and feelings.

Clinton can't say that her medical plan is far superior to Obama's and point out how crazy his plan is and get much leverage out of it because their plans are almost identical. McCain will spotlight that issue as his plan IS completely different.

Clinton can't come out and attack Obama on taxes, because they pretty much exactly the same on tazes. McCain will win hands down on this issue.

Clinton can't point out that Obama was determined to be the most liberal senator, because the Dem base LIKES that he is the most liberal. McCain will reference that journal article consistently and in high profile venues.

I'm not saying that the polls are inaccurate as of what people think today, but Obama has not had any kind of a sportlight put on his shallow campaign and leftist voting record as yet, and McCain and the republican party will have no problem exposing every nook and cranny of his past and present opinions and votes.

Thats why I say those polls are meaningless, because they are based on people's emotional reactions to a personality that can't be touched in the primaries, but the ideas and record behind the personality will be fully exposed in the general election. If Obama wins, expect those polls you speak of to change significantly if McCain remains in good health.

[Neo]

While it's true Obama has weak points which can be exploited, I don't believe he's any more vulnerable than Hillary is. They both have liberal policies in mind which are open to being attacked. Obama has the additional problem of inexperience, but Hillary has her own problems with her "Clinton baggage." If Obama goes into the debates he'll at least have a swell of support to act as a buffer. Hillary, OTOH, has reached her ceiling and has nowhere to go but down. She's far less likely to win over any additional independents and Republicans than Obama is. I see the odds favoring him.

Speaking of McCain, who does everyone think he will choose as his running mate? I predict Charlie Crist or Mark Sanford.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Neo

Speaking of McCain, who does everyone think he will choose as his running mate? I predict Charlie Crist or Mark Sanford.

Crist seems the most plausible.

Personally, I'm hoping for Powell or Rice.

[Professor S]

Neo, I guess I'm thinking more about past record than current policy. Clinton is left leaning in her record, but Obama's state and national senate record would make Noam Chomski blush.

But you're correct, in current policy, they are almost identical.