BREAKING: Clinton pwns Obama

[manasecret]

I'm only posting on this article that Prof. S mentioned, which says --

Obama — who joined several other Democrats in voting "present" in 2001 and "no" the next year — argued the legislation was worded in a way that unconstitutionally threatened a woman's right to abortion by defining the fetus as a child.

"It would essentially bar abortions because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this was a child then this would be an anti-abortion statute," Obama said in the Senate's debate in March 2001.

During his 2004 run for U.S. Senate, Obama said he supported similar federal legislation that included language clarifying that the measure did not interfere with abortion rights.

Which, unless I'm reading it wrong, says that he only voted against it because the measure was worded in such a way that defined all fetuses as children, which would threaten the right to abortion.

The article is unclear, so I may be wrong, but from my understanding that seems to be the case.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by manasecret

I'm only posting on this article that Prof. S mentioned, which says --



Which, unless I'm reading it wrong, says that he only voted against it because the measure was worded in such a way that defined all fetuses as children, which would threaten the right to abortion.

The article is unclear, so I may be wrong, but from my understanding that seems to be the case.

That is his explanation of the his decision, but like you, I don't know the exact wording of it. But considering his stance on partial birth abortion (a process that literally sucks the brain from a partially delivered late term child), I find it hard to give him the benefit of the doubt on this.

Regardless of his motivations, it will be quite easy for Republicans to have a field day with his decision on this.

[KillerGremlin]

Obama is starting to run out of steam, and Clinton is definitely putting her foot down by ripping apart his feel-good approach to the campaign. But is it too little, too late? After the half-ass job the Republicans did over the past 8 years, I think the democrats are going to win this election regardless if Hilary or Obama are running.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Obama is starting to run out of steam, and Clinton is definitely putting her foot down by ripping apart his feel-good approach to the campaign. But is it too little, too late? After the half-ass job the Republicans did over the past 8 years, I think the democrats are going to win this election regardless if Hilary or Obama are running.

I would agree with you if it were anyone but John McCain. McCain does not have a heavy association with dyed in the wool republicanism/conservatism. Polls show the populace views him more of a rugged individualist, type. Because of this Dems will have a harder time labeling him with the past 8 years that is perceived as being so horrible to a large section of voters. Thats not to say that they can't hang George Bush around his neck, but it will be VERY hard for them to do so, especially with the well knwon dislike the two have for each other regardless of public pleasantries.

In the end, if the dialogue in the general election centers on whether or not we should have been in Iraq, the Dems will have the advantage. If it centers on current successes in teh region and dealing with it the ay it currently is, I think McCain will have a distinct advantage.

But with Clinton having a more nuanced opinion of the current war than Obama, and the fact that she was there when everything threw down, I think she has more credibility to offer in the dialogue.

It amazes me that no one has called Obama on his constant claims of "I was against the war from the beginning" by simply saying:

"You don't know what you would have been for or against. You weren't there. You saw none of the reports that I did, none of the evidence from foreign countries or intelligence agencies. You're just pandering based on your ignorance. Things aren't quite so black and white when your there, in the arena of consequence, swimming through miles of data that you never had the burden of dealing with or worrying about while commenting from the outside in. Now go play while the adults talk."

Its not enough to mention that Obama is inexperienced, you need to smear his face with it.