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[Vampyr]

Okay, okay. I just saw the picture of Tali without her helmet that is used in the game.

This has been my biggest WTF moment so far. It's just some random stock photo that they spent a few minutes photoshopping. Are you kidding me? Why does she have finger nail polish on?

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Okay, okay. I just saw the picture of Tali without her helmet that is used in the game.

This has been my biggest WTF moment so far. It's just some random stock photo that they spent a few minutes photoshopping. Are you kidding me? Why does she have finger nail polish on?

Didnt you know? The Quarians are widely known throughout the galaxy for their large variety of nail polishes.
Ya its pretty stupid. On the plus side, they are coming out with a new ending soooo...

Jesus Christ, what a horrible idea.

"Good ending DLC, only $10!"

Looks like you might be right.

[Typhoid]

What would you have preferred? Her to have a giant sucker mouth, and beady spider eyes?
They've always alluded to Quarians being very human-like - and in every reflection you can see into their visors they have very human-like features and facial configuration.
Plus you can bang Tali in ME2, and Shep doesn't bang ugly broads with creepy alien features.
Nomatter what they made Tali/Quarians look like, some fans were bound to go "aww, what the fuck. She looks too human/too alien/nothing like I had hoped or expected or wanted."

They could have released a picture of Alf, and someone would be like "Aw, yeah. This universe needs more Wookie-like creatures. I didn't see that coming!" and someone else would say "This was the dumbest thing ever. They put no time into it. Everyone knows satisfaction equates from differences you work on in hours of photoshop and character modelling."

(I actually saw almost that exact comment on some mega-fan forum when I was searching up what Quarians looked like a few weeks ago. )


Edit:

It seems sort of funny to me that everyone is complaining about the ending of the game. (I literally mean everyone, with all that petitioning shit and whatnot)

It's not your game. Sure, you paid for it and spent your time playing it - but they spent the time making it, it's their creation which they (apparently) had future plans for - which is why they had holes in the ending cutscenes/story. They were leaving themselves openings for future DLC in order to be able to keep the game relevant - according to quotes I've read by the 'creators' of the game.

Complaining about the ending is one thing. Fuck, I've got no problem with that. If it sucks, it sucks. If you don't like it, tough balls for whoever made the game and wrote the story. What I'm hung up on is just all the people demanding a new ending. I hope whoever grades those kids' papers refuse to mark their next essay and publicly calls them out until they re-write the ending of it because the teachers have all decided that kids' story sucks and his writing ability is vastly sub-par.

I say 'kids' because something as immature as asking a storywriter to rewrite a story because it made you unhappy/displeased seems so childish.
"Mommy, why'd Bambi die?"
"I'm not sure, honey. That seemed awfully sad. I'll call up the studio and start a petition to see if we can get them to make a more satisfying ending where everyone lives, and everyones dreams are fulfilled, and they all become millionaires."

Hell, I should petition for a different ending to Red Dead Redemption. I didn't know I as a consumer could (after purchase) tell the creator of the story of the book/game/movie I'm reading/playing/watching that the studio who signed off on the project and saw through every stage of it's development was wrong, and the story too, was in fact wrong. Hell, the main character gets shot and dies before the end of the game. That wasn't fun. I wanted to keep playing as him. And what was with the man in the black suit? Was he the devil? I want answers, damnit. How dare they have creative freedom over their own story, especially if it interferes with my enjoyment.


Remember back in the day when you didn't like a game, and it was simply:
"I don't like the direction they took _______, because I thought it would be so much better when I was imagining the possibilities of the story. I guess I just don't like this game as much anymore, or maybe I just built it up too much in my own mind"
and not:
"I don't like the direction they took ______, because I thought it would be so much better when I was imagining the possibilities of the story. I guess it's time to petition those dicks and make them change the game they spent so much time lovingly creating for my enjoyment so I can then enjoy it how I was imagining rather than move on to something else like an adult would."

"Oh, Schindler's List wasn't that good. Let's tell them to re-write the movie with a happier tone. Maybe a comedy this time. Something I can watch with the kids. It was too dark. Too much sadness. Too many people died."


This will start a dangerous slope of a petition being formed every time there is a large number of like-minded individuals (which there always will be thanks to the internet) who thinks the ________ (plot point) of ________(game) was _________(adjective) and demand a new _______ (plot point) for ______ (game).

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

What would you have preferred? Her to have a giant sucker mouth, and beady spider eyes?
They've always alluded to Quarians being very human-like - and in every reflection you can see into their visors they have very human-like features and facial configuration.
Plus you can bang Tali in ME2, and Shep doesn't bang ugly broads with creepy alien features.
Nomatter what they made Tali/Quarians look like, some fans were bound to go "aww, what the fuck. She looks too human/too alien/nothing like I had hoped or expected or wanted."

No ones complaining about what she looks like, we're complaining about the fact that they found a photo on the internet, photoshopped it, and threw it in the game.



So, again, why dont you find out what youre bitching at before bitching at about?

[Typhoid]

My post (on that topic) was about; How does the way they came to the conclusion of how a character looks in any way change the perception of that character in the Universe it was created for.
Who cares if they fucking formed her face out of a box of Cheerois and it only took 5 seconds to do.
It was more "So what if they spent no time, and it was a quick photoshop. What the hell did you expect, and how does the time spent or the method used change any of it at all - the creators created it they way they did, it is what it is - why does it matter."


Would you [I'm not really directing this at you, just towards the screen] prefer if they airbrushed a real model with those same features, then put those little white motion tracker balls on her, got her to move around and took many pictures of her face, then digitally enhanced it so that in the end it looks exactly the same, but they've only spent more time on it? Would that be better, because they simply didn't "Quickly photoshop a picture", but spent weeks and time getting to the same conclusion?


I just find most of the internet complaints to be silly complaints. I honestly don't mean that as a knock on anyone here, or even anyone on any site complaining about the game. I just....find it all to be a very silly list of complaints. Like I said before, complaints with the ending are fine, don't like the story - that's cool by me. That's legitimate. But to complain about the method used to model a fake character on, or complaining enough to actually warrant the company to alter the story they made and actually petitioning on it simply because you didn't like it - silly. Silly silly silly.

And I'm just using this more for my own posting entertainment to post semi-rhetorical posts. I'm more directing my posts at all the google spiders that scan the site than expecting an actual conversation, or reasonable answers to my posts other than "lol, play the game" or "lol, nope" to pop up because they rarely do on the internet these days. I cringe at the thought of the people who can't read more than a paragraph anymore without thinking "Holy fuck this is taking so much time", and will respond in 144 characters or less of butchered English.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I cringe at the thought of the people who can't read more than a paragraph anymore without thinking "Holy fuck this is taking so much time", and will respond in 144 characters or less of butchered English.

I HATE "tl;dr" with a fiery passion of... hate.

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

My post (on that topic) was about; How does the way they came to the conclusion of how a character looks in any way change the perception of that character in the Universe it was created for.
Who cares if they fucking formed her face out of a box of Cheerois and it only took 5 seconds to do.
It was more "So what if they spent no time, and it was a quick photoshop. What the hell did you expect, and how does the time spent or the method used change any of it at all - the creators created it they way they did, it is what it is - why does it matter."

Oh, well the way you said it made it seem like we were complaining about how she looks or that she looks too human, but I think the way she looks is just fine. And they didnt "create" anything. They took something that already existed and added to it slightly.

Would you [I'm not really directing this at you, just towards the screen] prefer if they airbrushed a real model with those same features, then put those little white motion tracker balls on her, got her to move around and took many pictures of her face, then digitally enhanced it so that in the end it looks exactly the same, but they've only spent more time on it? Would that be better, because they simply didn't "Quickly photoshop a picture", but spent weeks and time getting to the same conclusion?

Yes, I would have preferred that, although time spent on it is irrelevant. They could have took the picture themselves and been done in a few mins instead of using some stock photo they found. Its just lazy half assed work is all, and my pappy always told me "if youre gonna do something, do it right or dont do it all."

I just find most of the internet complaints to be silly complaints. I honestly don't mean that as a knock on anyone here, or even anyone on any site complaining about the game. I just....find it all to be a very silly list of complaints. Like I said before, complaints with the ending are fine, don't like the story - that's cool by me. That's legitimate. But to complain about the method used to model a fake character on, or complaining enough to actually warrant the company to alter the story they made and actually petitioning on it simply because you didn't like it - silly. Silly silly silly.

Ya, petitioning them to change the ending of the game is silly, but with the way it is now its pretty much a big "fuck you, thanks for your money" kind of thing.

And I'm just using this more for my own posting entertainment to post semi-rhetorical posts. I'm more directing my posts at all the google spiders that scan the site than expecting an actual conversation, or reasonable answers to my posts other than "lol, play the game" or "lol, nope" to pop up because they rarely do on the internet these days. I cringe at the thought of the people who can't read more than a paragraph anymore without thinking "Holy fuck this is taking so much time", and will respond in 144 characters or less.

I considered it.

[Typhoid]

And they didnt "create" anything.

Well, to be fair taking an existing picture and photoshopping it into something new is "creating something". It's not creating something dynamically new or drastically different - but it's definitely creating something.

Yes, I would have preferred that, although time spent on it is irrelevant. They could have took the picture themselves and been done in a few mins instead of using some stock photo they found. Its just lazy half assed work is all, and my pappy always told me "if youre gonna do something, do it right or dont do it all."

Well, I'll actually address this seriously this time without some dumb joke or tongue-in-cheek post;


But why. Clearly that was the type of face they wanted to go with. The style, I mean. Lines and all that shit - the person/people in charge would have had an idea in mind before and wouldn't have just been 'winging it'. So what's the real difference if they create a face from scratch, or photoshop and edit a stock picture if it will look exactly the same in the end. One of them takes significantly less time.

I just see it as a moot point as to where or how they got the picture. How does it change anything if they took the picture themselves, or if someone says "Hey, I found a stock photo that would work perfectly. I mean, if we were to get a model, we'd get this girl or a girl very similar to her anyways, and probably have her in a similar pose anyhow, so this just saves all of us some time and (probably) money."

Edit: And I get that you're against it on laziness. I can get behind you on it being lazy, because it obviously is. I cant argue that. But I can't get behind you on that lazyness being a reason for any type of complaint or negative feeling on my end. The ends justify the means for me. I was curious to what a Quarian would look like, and I didn't care how they got to the conclusion.

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Well, I'll actually address this seriously this time without some dumb joke;


But why. Clearly that was the type of face they wanted to go with. The style, I mean. Lines and all that shit. So what's the real difference if they create a face from scratch, or photoshop and edit a stock picture if it will look exactly the same in the end. One of them takes significantly less time.

And you know thats the exact face they wanted to go with how? All I and a lot of other people see it as is lazy design work. For a game with such a huge fan base i'd think they could have put a little more effort into the reveal of one of the main characters hidden faces throughout 3 games. It would be like just using some basic stock photo and making it paler to reveal the master chief. People would be outraged over that, and its kind of the same deal here.

Like, hell Adam, would you rather spend weeks designing a face from scratch - or would you rather just change around the parameters of a real photo in photoshop, and just add the requested features to it.

If I was an artist for a popular game, yes I would spend weeks creating this piece of art that would be viewed by millions of people, unfortunately I suck at art and photoshop so theres not much relevance for me here.

I just see it as a moot point as to where or how they got the picture. How does it change anything if they took the picture themselves, or if someone says "Hey, I found a stock photo that would work perfectly. I mean, if we were to get a model, we'd get this girl or a girl very similar to her anyways, and probably have her in a similar pose anyhow, so this just saves all of us some time, and money."

The main difference I see in it is that if they did the picture themselves, it shows they put the effort into it to show their fans that they are dedicated to the masterpiece they have created, instead of picking a photo seemingly at random and modifying it. Its like if a band came out with a new album, but it was just the same song again but changed differently, like ACDC or Red Hot Chili Peppers. We still like them but kinda feel a bit gipped in the sense that its already been done.

-100% off-topic Ramble alert:


The internet is decimating proper conversation, and it's bugging the shit out of me. Everything now is all about getting your one-liner in, and "fuck the other guy." It's not about the content of your message - and hell - you're probably not reading the other guys' shit anyways - you just want to mock someone over the internet to try and get other assholes to like you! Yeah! Internet popularity! They'll just edit out that part of the post as if it had never been said, and simply focus in on the talking points they want.
Damn internet. I need a joint now. Yes, that's what I need.

The reason for this is you love cocks. Bam!

If you were actually referring to me not quoting/responding to the other half of your first post on this topic its cause it seemed to be going off topic and I didnt feel the need to argue against that.

[Vampyr]

Combine hit it on the head - it's just lazy, especially for something fans of the series had been excited to see since the first game.

There's a lot of laziness in Mass Effect. The fact that they never designed a model for a single female Turian, even though we know there are female Turien soldiers (Garrus tells a story about one). The fact that they also never created a model for a female Solarian.

But choosing to reveal how Tali looks in this way is just beyond lazy.

I mean, people praise Mass Effect for how awesome and in depth the lore and universe is.....we've never seen a female Turien/Solarian!

The internet is decimating proper conversation, and it's bugging the shit out of me. Everything now is all about getting your one-liner in, and "fuck the other guy." It's not about the content of your message - and hell - you're probably not reading the other guys' shit anyways - you just want to mock someone over the internet to try and get other assholes to like you! Yeah! Internet popularity! They'll just edit out that part of the post as if it had never been said, and simply focus in on the talking points they want.
Damn internet. I need a joint now. Yes, that's what I need.

This really doesn't mean much coming from you, lately. Any time a discussion gets serious or someone makes some points that you aren't prepared to handle, you end the argument by saying you were just joshing around and that internet discussions don't mean anything to you other than a way to pass the time while making tea.

It makes me not even want to respond to you at all.

[Bond]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

This really doesn't mean much coming from you, lately. Any time a discussion gets serious or someone makes some points that you aren't prepared to handle, you end the argument by saying you were just joshing around and that internet discussions don't mean anything to you other than a way to pass the time while making tea.

It makes me not even want to respond to you at all.

I love you Typh, but this is kind of true.

P.S. I love tea.

[Typhoid]

On topic Off-topic forum heart to heart time:

Oh, I'm totally aware it's true and how the forum perceives me. I'm doing it to myself, after all. I'm usually just 'posting'. Simply responding to the words said rather than those who say them unless I'm referring to someone by name or leaving their quote in the post or something hopefully-obvious.
You've also got to understand that since my back has been fucked over the last 2 years and I can't get out and do anything - this forum is really the only chance I get for daily 'talking to/at other human beings/expressing what's on my mind'. Which is why my posts have been getting longer and longer over the last while to now, and more debate-like and appear to be on every topic.
I don't get real conversation anymore, because I'm always stuck inside left to simply attempt to entertain myself, and post. The world becomes very small when you can't use your lower back properly. So I just tend to post what I'm thinking on whatever because it passes my time, and I have had 24 free hours every day for the last 800-ish days. It just happens that I was a dink when I was a drugged-up teenager, so whenever I say anything now I seem much more confrontational than I'm really intending to be. I'm not intending for anything remotely malicious. If I aim a joke at someone, it's always in 'fun' [from my end]. British-like. You poke fun at the people you're comfortable around, and not the people you're not.

Any time a discussion gets serious or someone makes some points that you aren't prepared to handle, you end the argument by saying you were just joshing around and that internet discussions don't mean anything to you other than a way to pass the time while making tea.

The reason for that is because when I'm just doing it because I see an opening for conversation I don't really give an invested crap in that side, and am simply expressing my current opinion on it. And if it starts getting out of hand, of course I want to diffuse the situation and back down. I'd be crazy not to. If it's something I'm being legitimate about, I'll usually try to explain it out like a normal person. I'm not doing it because I feel defeated, I'm doing it because I really don't care about what I was talking about and for everyone's sake want to end the conversation before it gets farther than it is on the confrontational end. I do that in real life, too. If a joke or ramble-bit I'm doing gets too out-of-hand with someone, I'll apologize and diffuse it immediately. I am a very apologetic person. I apologize to my table when I bump it. I kicked my shoe last night by accident when I was stretching out and as a reflex under my breath I said "Sorry" - I was the only person in the room.

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Back to Adam!

And you know thats the exact face they wanted to go with how

I wasn't referring to the specific picture used, I was referring to the style of Tali. If they didn't model Tali on that photo - it would have been another photo. But the features would be the same, purple, blue lines etc. That's all I meant, the features would be the same, not the physical face or photograph.

Realistically maybe the person in charge wasn't very artistic, and couldn't create a backdrop, and only had schooling in photoshop and didn't really think "Hey, people are going to cram sand up my vag for this one because I'm not spending enough time on it."

I also find it silly how people (I don't mean you, or those here. I mean the super internet fanboys) are so legitimately agitated about it. That in itself amuses me.

The reason for this is you love cocks. Bam!
If you were actually referring to me not quoting/responding to the other half of your first post on this topic its cause it seemed to be going off topic and I didnt feel the need to argue against that.

Love is such a strong word. Appreciate, maybe.

That part of my post was actually just a ramble that wasnt tied to anything other than what Ginkasa said to what I had said - which is why I attempted to separate it with some snazzy hyphens to form a line. But after reading it I thought it best not to derail the thread more, and decided to delete it - but I didn't get to it quick enough.


Edit: And yes. Tea is delicious.

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I wasn't referring to the specific picture used, I was referring to the style of Tali. If they didn't model Tali on that photo - it would have been another photo. But the features would be the same, purple, blue lines etc. That's all I meant, the features would be the same, not the physical face or photograph.

Shes not actually purple, thats just the quality of the photo on the datapad.

Realistically maybe the person in charge wasn't very artistic, and couldn't create a backdrop, and only had schooling in photoshop and didn't really think "Hey, people are going to cram sand up my vag for this one because I'm not spending enough time on it."

The they shouldnt have hired him!

Love is such a strong word. Appreciate, maybe.

That part of my post was actually just a ramble that wasnt tied to anything other than what Ginkasa said to what I had said - which is why I attempted to separate it with some snazzy hyphens to form a line. But after reading it I thought it best not to derail the thread more, and decided to delete it - but I didn't get to it quick enough.


Edit: And yes. Tea is delicious.

Ok, thought you might been all like, "awww what a dick, he completely ignored half of my post". But if its just you rambling then its all good.
And yes, tea is delicious.