Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

If Hiliary wins the primary, I would say Mcain might have a chance. Thats still a big might. If Obama wins, he has no chance.

Personally I think Obama is going to get anally raped in the general regardless of who he runs against. You can only get by on bullshit and catch phrases for so long before people start asking questions about your experience and actual political platforms.

In the end, his far left state representative record will get full daylight in a general election, something Hillary can't do for fear of alienating the leftist/MoveOn.org base, and that will alienate him from many of the independent supporters than he is pandering to right now. The Republican campaign machine is ruthless, and Obama has so many areas in his past to exploit that he might not win back his Senate seat after the presidential election.

Hope Hillary wins. Thats your best shot.

[The Germanator]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Personally I think Obama is going to get anally raped in the general regardless of who he runs against. You can only get by on bullshit and catch phrases for so long before people start asking questions about your experience and actual political platforms.

In the end, his far left state representative record will get full daylight in a general election, something Hillary can't do for fear of alienating the leftist/MoveOn.org base, and that will alienate him from many of the independent supporters than he is pandering to right now. The Republican campaign machine is ruthless, and Obama has so many areas in his past to exploit that he might not win back his Senate seat after the presidential election.

Hope Hillary wins. Thats your best shot.

Not according to this.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ups.schneider/

By "areas in his past" do you mean, "OMG he admitted doing drugs, he's a muslim, his middle name is Hussein, OMG!"

The sad thing is, you're probably right. Our country and the conservatives are asinine enough to bring things up that idiotic and non-relevant that people will believe that it actually matters. It's horrible. It'll just be like the John Kerry swiftboat bullshit where a Viet Nam veteran was as you say "anally raped" for being honest.

I love how honesty is something to attack rather than commend. That's how sad this whole process is.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by The Germanator

Not according to this.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...ups.schneider/

By "areas in his past" do you mean, "OMG he admitted doing drugs, he's a muslim, his middle name is Hussein, OMG!"

The sad thing is, you're probably right. Our country and the conservatives are asinine enough to bring things up that idiotic and non-relevant that people will believe that it actually matters. It's horrible. It'll just be like the John Kerry swiftboat bullshit where a Viet Nam veteran was as you say "anally raped" for being honest.

I love how honesty is something to attack rather than commend. That's how sad this whole process is.

I never said I agreed with it, its just he way it is. I have no problem with Obama's drug use, I used to smoke the dope, but a lot of people will have issues.

I kind of think the Muslim thing is a non-issue, as he isn't one and never was one, but his active membership in a borderline black separatist church might be used against him.

And when it comes down to it, he'll be judged on his past record as well, and the Republican machine will have no issues digging up state rep record which is just to the left of Vladamir Lenin. That will eat up his independent support that will have no issue flipping over to McCain. Add all this up, and you have yourself a big fat loss if conservatives come out to vote.

Kerry was anally raped by the switftboaters due to his own dumbass mistake of running as a war hero after making very public statements against the military after his vietnam service, many of the comments proven to be things that he never witnessed and in many cases never happened. As soon as he said "John Kerry, reporting for duty" at the national convention I knew he was finished.

And don't be so high and mighty in singling out conservatives as being brutal campaigners. The Clintons have their own history when it comes to dirty pool.

[Professor S]

I'm doing it again, aren't I?

I need to learn when to let a political discussion die...

[Bond]

Obama is a very nice, likable guy... but, I think that's his only redeeming quality. Take, for example, JFK, who was also a nice, likable guy, but also had rational policy to back it up. In-fact, Obama is more or less a socialist. He is left of Hillary. I think this will be a problem for many voters, as McCain is more a centrist than anything.

[Jason1]

Honestly, Professor, I totally disagree with you. I believe that John Mcains Campaign are praying every night that Hillary wins.

Oh, and we cant compare Kerry to Obama. I mean, Obama is a much much much stronger candidate for the Dems. They didnt really even have a ligitimate candidate last election.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

Honestly, Professor, I totally disagree with you. I believe that John Mcains Campaign are praying every night that Hillary wins.

Oh, and we cant compare Kerry to Obama. I mean, Obama is a much much much stronger candidate for the Dems. They didnt really even have a ligitimate candidate last election.

I wasn't comparing them, I responded to Germs post that compared the tactics used to attack Democrats. I actually think Kerry is about 500% more qualified to be president than Obama.

I can respect you disagreeing with me, but on what are you basing this on? Obama's state and Senatorial record make him one of the most left wing, if not THE most left wing politician in America. Do you think America leans that far left?

Also, can anyone tell me in detailed terms what it is about Obama's policies and platforms that they like so much? I can't think of a single thing he's said that doesn't involve stale platitudes like "Brand New Day", "Now is Our Time" or "Keep Hope Alive"... sorry, wrong populist motivational speaker...