Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama

[KillerGremlin]

The last Clinton we had did a pretty good job so I wouldn't mind if Hilary or Obama got elected. I think Obama has a more genuine approach to politics because he is inexperienced. So far I'm leaning towards Obama but whatever. America needs radical change, we need a complete 180 in Washington. We need to rebuild our image to the rest of the world, we need to get the fuck outta Iraq, drop a few bombs on the Al-Qaeda, deal with China and fix welfare. Instead of spending a bajillion dollars on a war for oil we need to research alternative fuel. The average person driving a Honda Civic or a family van should be able to do so using alternative fuels. We need to get SUVs of the road. I'm not happy to be an American right now. Hopefully whoever gets elected can bring change to this country.

I just wish Al Gore won...

[Jason1]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

The last Clinton we had did a pretty good job so I wouldn't mind if Hilary or Obama got elected. I think Obama has a more genuine approach to politics because he is inexperienced. So far I'm leaning towards Obama but whatever. America needs radical change, we need a complete 180 in Washington. We need to rebuild our image to the rest of the world, we need to get the fuck outta Iraq, drop a few bombs on the Al-Qaeda, deal with China and fix welfare. Instead of spending a bajillion dollars on a war for oil we need to research alternative fuel. The average person driving a Honda Civic or a family van should be able to do so using alternative fuels. We need to get SUVs of the road. I'm not happy to be an American right now. Hopefully whoever gets elected can bring change to this country.

I just wish Al Gore won...

Well put. If Gore wouldve won, I guarantee you we wouldnt be paying 3 dollars a gallon for gas. Also, the entire world wouldnt hate us as they do now. When Hiliary or Barack win, gas prices will come down. Might not be instantly, but they will.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jason1

I hear this so much, and its a nonsense cop out arguement. Who cares if Obama "dosent have much experience." As far as im concerned, thats exactly what we need. Someone who isnt a typical politician. I mean, look what "experience" got us the past 8 years, one of the worst presidents ever.

Sorry, but I think you need to finish at least a single term in a major office to be even considered for president. But lets accept your argument, then what about my argument that he has NO REAL POLICIES. He literally runs on on high hopes and good feelings. Inspirational speaking only takes you so far.

He is the Tony Robbins candidate. Sounds great but says nothing. When Hillary described his positions as naive, she wasn't kidding.

And you right about gas prices and Al Gore. We definitely wouldn't be paying three dollars a gallon... more like five after all the taxes he would have placed on gas to "encourage" us to make "smarter decisions".

[manasecret]

I'm super cereal!

[gekko]

Swapping one politician with another politician still leaves you with politics, and politics is corrupt from the inside out. Good on you for believing in the American dream, but I hate to break it to you, one man doesn't change policy. Hell, he can't even make a law, and doesn't determine most policy. He's simply your scapegoat.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by gekko

Swapping one politician with another politician still leaves you with politics, and politics is corrupt from the inside out. Good on you for believing in the American dream, but I hate to break it to you, one man doesn't change policy. Hell, he can't even make a law, and doesn't determine most policy. He's simply your scapegoat.

well why don't we all just kill ourselves?

[GameMaster]

If you truly care about America and want your voice to be heard you'll do what I did today.

Choose not to vote. I didn't go vote and I encouraged everyone and their grandmother to do the same.

By not playing into their little popularity contest you FORCE them to listen.

And when they finally start listening, you bend them to your will.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

If you truly care about America and want your voice to be heard you'll do what I did today.

Choose not to vote. I didn't go vote and I encouraged everyone and their grandmother to do the same.

By not playing into their little popularity contest you FORCE them to listen.

And when they finally start listening, you bend them to your will.

By not "playing along", they just ignore you. Not voting doesn't send a message to anyone, as its the EXACT OPPOSITE of communicating in politics. If you don't vote, expect them to not care what you think. They don't have to because you don't affect their election so you matter to them.

And Gekko, I've heard that tired cliche of "it doesn't matter, we're all screwed" before and it just shows apathy and a refusal to take the personal effort to care. IMO, you just don't want to take the time or the effort to become inviolved in the election process, so instead you just say it doesn't matter. That frees you from the burden of choice.

[Bond]

Just got done filling out my application for an absentee ballot. Bit of an inconvenience, but not too bad...

[gekko]

Originally Posted by Professor S

And Gekko, I've heard that tired cliche of "it doesn't matter, we're all screwed" before and it just shows apathy and a refusal to take the personal effort to care. IMO, you just don't want to take the time or the effort to become inviolved in the election process, so instead you just say it doesn't matter. That frees you from the burden of choice.

Actually, I don't believe in the "lesser of two evils" theory. When I cast a vote it means I want someone in office, and in reality, there's no one on the ballot I would want as President of this country.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

If you truly care about America and want your voice to be heard you'll do what I did today.

Choose not to vote. I didn't go vote and I encouraged everyone and their grandmother to do the same.

By not playing into their little popularity contest you FORCE them to listen.

And when they finally start listening, you bend them to your will.

Hey! I didn't vote either! But that's only because independents aren't allowed to vote in the primaries... (and because I hate how "official": the primaries are, but mostly because I just plain couldn't.)

[GameMaster]

Oh, oh! What is this!?

[Professor S]

Well McCain is pretty much a lock now, which is fine by me. He's the closest in policy to Rudy who was my favorite.

I think Romney caused his own downfall in the elections. Instead of running as the moderate economist he is, he tried to paint himself as the social conservative, and that killed him in the polls as no one believed it. His exit speech was excellent, though, beyond the rediculous "marriage protection" amendment.

On a side note, my experiment as a registered Republican is about to end. Im so embarrassed by the way that the conservative commentators have reacted to McCain's ascension that I'll be an Independent again next election. It's shameful.

EDIT: Oh yeah, and Ron Paul is a racist whack-job asshole. I always have to sneak that one in.

[KillerGremlin]

So...with McCain running...
that like seals the deal for the Democrats, right? You know it sucks when the true conservative Republicans don't like you. Oh well.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

So...with McCain running...
that like seals the deal for the Democrats, right? You know it sucks when the true conservative Republicans don't like you. Oh well.

Well, yes and no. Heres the thing about McCain: Independents LOVE him. In states where Independents could vote in primaries, they overwhelmingly chose McCain because of his reputation as being a free thinking pragmatist and willingness to step across the isle when it serves his cause.

Right wing conservatives have a knee jerk hatred of McCain because he doesn't step in line (or pick fights with Democrats), but I think that can pass in time, especially when the race boils down to either McCain vs. Hillary or especially Obama. The Democrat contenders lean WAY left this election, bordering socialism in many policies, and I think that will shock a lot of conservatives into voting for McCain as the lesser of two evils.

If conservatives come out to vote for the most part and don't try and do some silly boycott, I think McCain has the best chance of any Republican of winning.