Quotes: Agree or Disagree

[Bond]

Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised.
- Marilyn Manson

Agree or disagree?

[MrCoffee]

agree

[DeathsHand]

Agree... Unless maybe you take population growth into consideration... Then I might have to get back to you on that one... *strokes chin*
Is this in reference to more "civilized" (overall) nations, or the world in general?
Is this a trick question?

[CamFu]

Disagree...

With Technology comes violence. Extreme Example WMD. Give me a time in History when anything ever compared to Nukes.

In the 21st century, according to The Economist magazine, one out of every eight countries around the world is fighting a civil war. And do you really think that this stat is true because there is TV in this world? Please... that is insane.

Also think back in the 70's and 80's (if you were alive) when you got on a plane, you could take your nail clippers. You didn't have to be phyiscally searched just to get on a plane (metal dectors worked just fine)... your shoes remained on at all times while at the Airport. I'm not saying that there wasn't a threat before that, there were actaully many attacks. But things have gotten worse. Look at Scotland Today. If you don't know what I'm talking about watch CNN or MSNBC.

I think that TV helps spread the fear of Violence. Just my two cents.

[Angrist]

I disagree. 3 reasons.

- Because of TV (and internet), people get more sick ideas. Violence spreads through the telly. (Go ahead and flame me for this.)

- What Crash says: more advanced technology causes more and worse violence. It's only logical.

- I forgot my third reason. But I'm sure it was a good one.

[DeathsHand]

Originally Posted by CamFu

Give me a time in History when anything ever compared to Nukes.

But are we talking about actual application of violence, or the simple fact (that we all know) that technology technically makes it possible to kill more people in an easier fashion than we could a thousand (or even a hundred) years ago?

I'm not very well learned, I decided my school time would be better spent staring at the wall, but I do believe nukes have rarely rarely rarely ever actually been used against people...

Originally Posted by CamFu

when you got on a plane, you could take your nail clippers.

And there would be some out there who could argue that that's all attributed to paranoia, which is much easier spread thanks to the wonders of television, and more recently the 24 hour news networks...
"Someone brought nail clippers onto a plane! Bump the country's terror alert up to 'High (Orange)'!!!"

I myself have never flown, and seem to have the ability to shrug off any serious situation and go back to my nice starin' wall, content in my relative indifference... So *shrug*

[GameMaster]

Hmm, I'd have to disagree.

Things like Columbine shooting have been largely argued to have been influenced by violent video games and Marilyn Manson music (the latter not belonging to the televisual realm).

And then we have things like videos being posted online of a woman in high heels crushing a puppy's head and a cat's head . And all those terrorists video recording the people they behead. People would not have the same motivation to do these things if they could not easily broadcast it worldwide. The woman in high heel seeks to anonymously shock, disgust, and enrage viewers with her animal cruelty. Something she couldn't do without the televisual medium. And the terrorists seek to deliver a intimidating message in a way that is much more powerful than that through just a photograph or audio recording.

The ability to broadcast to the masses whether through online facets such as YouTube or simply sending your videos to a television network to be broadcast worldwide (like the Virginia Tech killer did) enables and thus encourages those with violent tendencies to act upon them.

[Angrist]

I wish you hadn't told me that story about the woman in high heels.

[DeathsHand]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

And all those terrorists video recording the people they behead. People would not have the same motivation to do these things if they could not easily broadcast it worldwide.

You're right, nobody killed anybody until television came around, especially religious extremists...

Until television and potty-mouth music came around, nobody acted out of greed or jealousy... We, as a people, had few true emotions... And boy, the world sure was a swell place!

[CamFu]

Originally Posted by DeathsHand

I'm not very well learned, I decided my school time would be better spent staring at the wall, but I do believe nukes have rarely rarely rarely ever actually been used against people...

It doesn't really matter how many times it has been used... but it has been used. And the aftermath was devastating. Also, we didn't stop with just the size of that bomb, we made ones that are bigger. I've actually learned the the US has a Nuclear Weapon so big that it could tilt the world. Why would we need something that LARGE?

Humans came up with another WMD, back in 2003 or 2004 that had the same kill radius as a Nuke, but no Fallout. For the life of me, I can't remember what this thing is called. Sorry.

Also lets go into NBC... Nuclear, Biological, Chemical. One Word "EVIL". And I know that most of the stuff that I'm getting into really belongs in WAR and only WAR. But the technology is out there and it doesn't.

As humans, over thousands of years we have gotten efficient at killing each other and each time we learn something new, it get much more cruel.

Originally Posted by DeathsHand

And there would be some out there who could argue that that's all attributed to paranoia, which is much easier spread thanks to the wonders of television, and more recently the 24 hour news networks...

And with extreme paranoia comes violence... in which you could say that TV is at fault for the more violent behavior today.

I'm not saying that our past was all flowers and butterflies. It hasn't. If you believe in some type of religion, there is enough killing there to make you sick. If you don't believe in the bible, there is also just the history of the world... Romans! They were a world power. By no means has this world been a paradise for humans.

I'm not even going to get into some of the stories of pure evil that I have personally experienced. There is a lot of violence in this world, it is being broadcast because that helps the ratings. But I really believe that things are worse in recent history then they have been.

But let me end with this, how many of you guys lock yours doors at night? Or even lock your car door... even if you are in it?

[GameMaster]

Originally Posted by DeathsHand

You're right, nobody killed anybody until television came around, especially religious extremists...

Until television and potty-mouth music came around, nobody acted out of greed or jealousy... We, as a people, had few true emotions... And boy, the world sure was a swell place!

I never said that. I said television has encouraged and increased violent tendencies.

Go dish me up some ice cream.

[Professor S]

Agree. The world is far less violent and cruel than it has been historically. Man is a violent being, and because we have no superior being to concentrate that violence against, we turn it back to ourselves. Its our own survival instinct come home to roost, but you could also argue that it is that instinct that helped make us the dominant species on the planet.

Does television inspire violence? Maybe. Increase it? Hardly. Some of the most violent cultures in the world have the least amount of entertainment outlets. Hell, most primitive cultures viewed war as a part of everyday life. Mid-West Native American tribes had seasonal conflicts with one another, kind of like a really f***ed up football season.

Then again, TV has only been influencing our actions for 3 generations or so, lets give it time... it can catch up to our violent nature if it tries real hard.

[KillerGremlin]

Agree.

Originally Posted by CamFu

It doesn't really matter how many times it has been used... but it has been used. And the aftermath was devastating. Also, we didn't stop with just the size of that bomb, we made ones that are bigger. I've actually learned the the US has a Nuclear Weapon so big that it could tilt the world. Why would we need something that LARGE?

We had to make bigger ones. If we have the same firepower as Russia or China no one is going to start firing nukes. And I'm pretty sure that the people in Russia know that if they drop a nuke on us we're going to retalliate and someone else is going to get involved and before you know it there will be a massive full scale conflict. Unless machines take over or someone accidently issues the order to drop a bomb on Russia via Plan R the odds of nukes being used is probably less likely then you would be lead to believe.

Also, I have to be one of the few heartless bastards who thinks this, but the use of the two nuclear bombs in World War II was not a bad thing. Not only did it stop the war, but we forewarned Japan that we were going to do it. It wasn't like, "surprise!!! nuclear bomb lolz!" I do feel sorry for every civilian killed and yeah that sucks.


If anything, the invention of the nuke has decreased the chance of a full scale conflict. It's kind of a big penis envy thing.

"Oh, well if you get nukes we'll just get bigger ones so if you ever use your nukes we'll just do twice as much damage!"


So, here we have this weapon that can wipe out everyone, and everyone has it and is ready to use it, so no one is going to do it. Can you imagine the sh!t you'd get in a post-nuclear world if you were the one to launch the first nuke? I don't know much about politics but I do know that any country that launches a nuke is going to get 57 right back at them.

Humans and violence are best friends. Humans have always killed each others, that's nothing new. We have always gone to war, there has always been greed and lust, and there's not many humane things about humans. TV has definitely publicized the violence in our world.

Are we more violent now than we were back in the day? Nahhh. And now we have more humane ways to kill people on death row, we don't torture people to interrogate them, and instead of having to take a few swings with a sword to cut someones head off to kill them we can do it with a single bullet. I'll take the bullet over the sword plz.

[Bond]

I would argue times have become less violent. A long time ago when we were simple Neanderthals, life was hard. We were more or less nomadic people, never sure of where our next meal was coming from. In fact, we lead a life of suffering, much like most animals do now. The majority of our time was devoted to finding food, building shelter and then raising our children.

Because of our intelligence we have advanced past that difficult lifestyle. Now, of course our intelligence has also created weapons of mass destruction and great evils, but personally I'd rather live like this as opposed to how most animals live. My point, is that as a race we have become less violent, especially Western societies. African cultures, on the other hand, have had a consistent history of inner violence that doesn't appear to be ending anytime soon. But again, in general, times are less violent.

[Fox 6]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

I said television has encouraged and increased violent tendencies.

This is true enough, but TV has also influenced a positive action or change has it not? Its also opened our eyes to things like war, case in point the Vietnam War ; the first televised war. Reporters were able to go around anywhere and document violent acts like the massacre at My Lai. The TV showed its power there, and as a result the US have embedded reporters from now on. Just thought i should add my two cents that Television is many a number of things.