Nintendo Revolution... More Like Retrolution

MuGen · 05-19-2005, 02:18 AM

CamFu... I never realized how horrible of a fanboy you really are.... These are Strangler's opinions and his issues with Nintendo... it's supposed to spark discussion not you scorning his statements because you don't agree with him...

Dyne · 05-19-2005, 02:20 AM

Don't take it so harshly Kyuzo. Nobody's really getting scorned in this thread. Take the goggles off for a minute.

This is the best E3 topic we have right now.

MuGen · 05-19-2005, 02:22 AM

I'm not really taking it harshly...... This was my chance to jump on top of a fanboy like it's done to me.... and it's a good feeling..

CamFu · 05-19-2005, 02:23 AM

You know whats funny, it just depends on what mood I'm in that day. He pointed out opinions, I disagreed with them. Nothing was meant personal, and if it was that's my bad. I never said his name... notice how I put Gaming Community or Gaming Public or whatever. Because these are not "new" arguements. They are just the same gripes you get from Boards all across the internet. But if I'm a fan boy... thats cool too. I've been called a whole lot worse.

CamFu · 05-19-2005, 02:36 AM

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But they need to face facts, and honestly so do you. This conspiracy theory of your doesn't hold much water and it smacks of someone trying to create answers when he doesn't like the questions that are being asked.

Ok, you lost me with this comment. Face what facts? I'm not in the industry, I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. I don't run a multimillion dollar business. I know that I wouldn't want that kind of responsibility right now (somebody when I have my millions I will). But there are really no facts out there other then Nintendo is making money. Be it from just their first party games and their GB Side of the house. That is why they are still in business. That is why they will still be here for years to come. Those are the facts.

And for the "conspiracy theory" that doesn't hold water? Are you talking about the tactic that I gave an example of? If you are, ok, you are getting into this discussion a little too much. I didn't use that as something that I would base anything off of. I just brought it up because I thought it was a good idea. Geez.

And if anything, personally I think it would be insane if Nintendo just ignored their past. It's something they can't ignore, it's what makes them who they are today.

How did this turn so ugly... so quickly?

DarrenMcLeod · 05-19-2005, 02:43 AM

J Allard and Reggie Fils-Aime are fanboys.

Professor S · 05-19-2005, 02:47 AM

CamFu, the conspiracy theory I was referring to was the "personal vendetta against Nintendo" when referring to people who criticize Nintendo's moves. My opinions are not personal, beyond my own frustration and disappointment with their current and seemingly future product.

As for the "facing facts " comment, I was using it in the context of common nomenclature, not really as a reference to legitimate facts. I was more saying that the observations I made were pretty obvious, IMO, and you seemed to prefer to believe that those that criticize Nintendo have a vendetta against them, instead of having legitimate gripes. But it is true, I should not have used the term "face facts" in my comment.

Now I'm REALLY retiring from this discussion for the night, as I'm quickly becoming too drunk to type. Damn you Vodka... vile spirit.

CamFu · 05-19-2005, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

CamFu, the conspiracy theory I was referring to was the "personal vendetta against Nintendo" when referring to people who criticize Nintendo's moves. My opinions are not personal, beyond my own frustration and disappointment with their current and seemingly future product.

As for the "facing facts " comment, I was using it in the context of common nomenclature, not really as a reference to legitimate facts. I was more saying that the observations I made were pretty obvious, IMO, and you seemed to prefer to believe that those that criticize Nintendo have a vendetta against them, instead of having legitimate gripes. But it is true, I should not have used the term "face facts" in my comment.

Now I'm REALLY retiring from this discussion for the night, as I'm quickly becoming too drunk to type. Damn you Vodka... vile spirit.

See Gentlemen (and Ladies) this is why I hardly post. I get to much into. I have to get up for work in like 4 1/2 hours. Yet, here I am posting. Will I never learn?

The only reason I use the word "vendetta" is because I have met so many people in my life that have their "Playstation" and just disregard Nintendo/Sega/Atari/Microsoft like their nothing. Do I really care? No, not really. I'm not refering the gamers that remember the day they used to be made fun of because they play video games. I'm talking about the Gaming Community Today.

I can tell you stories that would bore your head off from people that just dislike Nintendo because the "know" it's for kiddies. Ok, just one quick story. You forced it out of me.

There I am, playing Madden 2005. Lovin' every minute of it. Playing it on my GC and using my Wavebird, so dude walks into my room and sees me playing Madden. Starts talking trash. I ignore him, but then he notices that there are no wires. He can't even see the "Playstation 2". I tell him that it's because it's a GameCube and the controller is wireless. He shuns it off, and tells me he is surprised that a Nintendo System can make sure good graphics. He actually thought Nintendo didn't make anything bud kiddie games. Does he want to try it, nope. Because it's Nintendo. If I had the PS2 set up, the dude would have sat right now.

That is where my opinion of the whole vendetta comes from.

Xantar · 05-19-2005, 03:59 AM

Well, what does it mean to be in third place?

Number of consoles sold? Ok, I suppose I can buy that, but how important is that?

Amount of money made? This being a business, is that what's really the most important? Well, Nintendo's not in third place there.

If there's anybody who has some hard facts to deal with, it's Microsoft. They're going to have a hard time making money any time soon. After posting a profit for one quarter not too long ago, they went back to losing even more money than usual. Sure, Microsoft has deep pockets, but they didn't get to be giants by losing money for decades in a venture. And truth to tell, I'm not so sure the Xbox 360 is going to pull Microsoft out of the rut either. It seems to have gotten rather overshadowed by the PS3, and in this generation, Microsoft isn't going to have the clearly most powerful console (note, I don't know which console is most powerful, but there's no clear winner which is really the point). Meantime, Sony can lower the price of the PS3 and force Microsoft down whenever they feel like it just like they did in this generation. So where's Microsoft going to make the money? Some day down the road a few generations from now? A lot of things change in that amount of time.

Nintendo is doing fine businesswise, meanwhile. Incidentally, the DS sold 2 million units as of April 20th and the PSP sold half a million as of March 31st. There's no more up to date data available, unfortunately. And yes it's true that the DS had a head start (although by the same token, so did the PS2). My point is simply that the DS isn't clearly getting creamed in the U.S. by the PSP either.

Now a word about FuFu's vendetta: I think his point was that even if Nintendo had showed a lot about the Revolution, people would have jumped on them for showing Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros. and so on. That's not all that Nintendo shows (in fact, they had a lot of stuff in this E3 that wasn't one of their big three franchises), but it's what people notice. So if they had shown the Revolution with all their franchise characters, many people (and I think you, too) would have criticized them for relying too much on their franchises and not looking forward enough. They would have looked at the Mario platformer and said, "Same old, same old. Get something new." And if Mario and Zelda had been nowhere in sight, other people would have complained about how Nintendo isn't giving the fans what they want. And since they didn't actually show much about the Revolution, people also complained. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

It's not a conspiracy. It's just that people are always looking out for things to criticize about Nintendo. And meantime, nobody complains about the fact that the PS3 is going to have Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Gran Turismo 5, and Tekken 6. Not that I think they necessarily should. But there seems to be a bit of a double standard going on here.

I really don't know that Nintendo could do anything to satisfy someone like you except perhaps become a clone of Sony. But they can't do that, nor do I think they should. Microsoft is trying to beat Sony at their own game, and all they've gotten out of it is a several billion dollar loss. Sure, now they've gotten their name out there. What's that worth in an industry that moves as fast as this one? I'm sure Nintendo has known for a long time that people like you wouldn't be happy with what they're doing, and I'm also sure that they've calculated that their bottom line will do just fine nonetheless. And I'm also sure that if they started trying to do everything that Sony is doing with multimedia functions and revealing information about everything and trying to outpower the competitors, it wouldn't gain them a thing. The industry just doesn't work that way.

BreakABone · 05-19-2005, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyuzo

CamFu... I never realized how horrible of a fanboy you really are.... These are Strangler's opinions and his issues with Nintendo... it's supposed to spark discussion not you scorning his statements because you don't agree with him...

So wouldn't offering counterpoints and your own point of view be concerned discussion?