Abortion

Typhoid · 10-13-2004, 10:13 PM

It is a super touchy subject.

Some think it should be legal, some say no.

Now, My intentions on starting this thread is not to start any big arguments, political or holy wars. I just want to know each persons opinion and why. Please dont link to sites that say it is good or bad, because that isn't your opinion. State your opinion as to why you side that way.

I'll get the ball rolling.

I think it should be legal to some extent. Because a fetus is not a person. A fetus is not even a baby.

I think it should be up to the mother of the child. Its her baby, so it is her choice. Technically, at this point, the baby is not an independant person, and is part of her. It is a semi-symbiotic relationship.

To put it into context for you who think otherwise. Pretend you have a 14,15,16 or 17 year old daughter. Now picture her pregnant. You cannot tell me you wouldnt want her to abort. Who would wish a child upon a child?

Now, some of you will probably say :" Well, it was her choice to get pregnant."

I rebutt that with, Yes, it was her choice to get pregnant, but should it also not be her choice to abort the baby?

What if a woman is raped and gets pregnant? And every time she looks into the babies eyes, she remembers the conclusion of the raping. I would not want a rape-baby.

I think a fetus becomes a baby the second the ties are severed with the mother. Then, and at that point, It is an independant living creature.

And pleaaaase do not say "well in religion" this and "in the bible" that.

Religion does not/should not dictate laws. Religion and law are separete. One should not interfere with the other.

Anyways, please keep in mind im not planning on this being some big argument thread, so please keep the flameing to a minimum.

So what do you think?

Dyne · 10-13-2004, 10:15 PM

I think I should stay out of this thread!

Heh!

I'll pass out flame-retardent suits in the General Talk main area if anyone needs them.

Crono · 10-13-2004, 10:19 PM

In the case of the woman who got laid in first place, that was her decision, she MUST face the consequences of having the baby. It's her own fault. I don't care if you can't afford it either, just give it up adoption or something. You can't just go out and have unprotected sex, get pregnant, and then say "oh, well, I dont want to have this kid, so I'll just throw him out". That's basically what it is, throwing the eventual human being in the garbage can. How would you like it if someone said "oh, well, we don't want you anymore, so we'll just kill you now".

In the case of the women being raped, well, then, I'd allow it.

So do I think abortion is good? Not really, but it's just personal feelings, nothing to do with religion.

Seth · 10-13-2004, 10:44 PM

I don't even see why this should be discussed here.

We all know how these turn out.

And it's probably safe to say that the opinions here are split fairly equally.

So ya, I'm not in this one. Waste of time.

Typhoid · 10-13-2004, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth

I don't even see why this should be discussed here.

We all know how these turn out.

And it's probably safe to say that the opinions here are split fairly equally.

So ya, I'm not in this one. Waste of time.

Im sorry, I like you....your a good guy, I have nothing against you. Seriously.

But if you have nothing to say, please do not post to tell us you are not going to say anything. It seems slightly post-whoreish to me.

Its like saying your better than everyone and telling them to their face.

But honestly, your a good guy, lol, so dont take that personally.

Seth · 10-13-2004, 11:07 PM

You must've missed the part where I was calling this thread down. ?

Nothing against you, I like to discuss these things as well, but it's been done before and it never goes any place new.

Acebot44 · 10-13-2004, 11:56 PM

I've basically got the same feelings as you Typh. That's all I got to say. Using Abortion as a form of birth control should not be allowed though, but I doubt that a women would be able to live with herself after aborting more than 2 babies.

GameMaster · 10-13-2004, 11:59 PM

I believe it is completley up to the person giving birth whether they want to abort or not. It's their body and I agree that it's not murder or brutal killing unless the baby has been physically detached from the mother.

Su-Yin · 10-14-2004, 12:00 AM

its plain murder....
mistake made...therefore consequences u must face...*shrug* dont want a kid? be responsible....

as simple as that...
its not about religion...i dont nutz bout that...but if u abort...ur 'techinically' depriving someone of a chance at life...*tsktsk* pure selfishness

u must b thinking...ppfft* if it happened to her she wud say something else...but well...i honestly think i would do the right thing...and that....is to use protection my friend

Crash · 10-14-2004, 12:06 AM

it is murder.. but sometimes if the girl was raped... etc etc..

you should not just get an abortion because you got accidentally pregnant... dont be stupid and irresponsible

it should be the girls choice... but i dont always agree with what the girl decides...

i would love to just say, hey, you get pregnant you get to deal with the consequences... you can't just kill your consequence.... it's super complicated though.

Su-Yin · 10-14-2004, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GameMaster

I believe it is completley up to the person giving birth whether they want to abort or not. It's their body and I agree that it's not murder or brutal killing unless the baby has been physically detached from the mother.

would u consider an egg(with a chick growing inside)still part of the hen?would u brreak it and still say u didn kill it?.....the only diff is a baby is in a womb( in the mother)...a fetus is a-soon-to-be child...killing it does not mean it isnt murder...it WILL have a life of its own too

mayb if it was from rape it would b alot more difficult to say this...but it wasnt the baby-to-be's fault...so y take its life?...
*shrug* k...mayb its just me saying this cuz im not in the situation....i might feel otherwise if it happened to me personally

GameMaster · 10-14-2004, 12:10 AM

It's different for a chick, because it is not dependent on the hen, just the egg. And the egg could be incubated. But humans are different. The mother's body is necessary for the baby to survive. And since it was the mother's body before it was the baby's growing pod, the mother has the right to abort it if she wants. It's like renting a house to someone. They need it to survive, but since you own the house, you can remove them from the house whenever you want. It's your house, not the renters

Crono · 10-14-2004, 12:15 AM

Maybe if the woman wasn't such a slut, she wouldn't have the problem in the first place.

Oops, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to offend your average dirty skank hoe.

Seriously, you get pregnant, deal with it in a responsible way. Getting rid of it is the easy way out. A coward's way out. If you don't want it, give it up for adoption or something. Or just... stop being a slut.

But I like to see women struggle while trying to go to school (maybe) and raise a kid. Ha..hahahahHAHAHA. Oh yeah, I am so cruel. Oops, sorry, bitch.

Typhoid · 10-14-2004, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by happygirl666

as simple as that...
its not about religion...i dont nutz bout that...but if u abort...ur 'techinically' depriving someone of a chance at life...*tsktsk* pure selfishness

So then every time a guy jacks off into a towel, or a napkin. Or every time a couple has anal or oral sex, its wrong because they are 'technically' depriving someone of life?

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Originally Posted by Crono

Maybe if the woman wasn't such a slut, she wouldn't have the problem in the first place.

Seriously, you get pregnant, deal with it in a responsible way. Getting rid of it is the easy way out. A coward's way out. If you don't want it, give it up for adoption or something. Or just... stop being a slut.

So a 14 year old girl who had sex once is a slut?
Stupid yes, slut no. It only takes 1 time to get pregnant. 1 is not a big enough number to create slut status.

And after youve carried a baby for 9 months, you cant just give it up for adoption. Its harder that that. You grow attatched to it. I know because I had to hear conversations with my dad and my sister when she got pregnant after sleeping with a guy once, when she was 17(or 18). She was contemplating abortion.

She said looking back (considering she said she would give it up for adoption) she said no after she gave birth to her baby because she was attacthed to it.

Now, i have no idea how a girl who wants to have an abortion is a slut. No clue. its like calling a white guy who wears only a tuke a wigger.

My sister had sex once at that point of her life. Slut? No.

How does deciding of an abortion constitute sluttyness?

Su-Yin · 10-14-2004, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

So then every time a guy jacks off into a towel, or a napkin. Or every time a couple has anal or oral sex, its wrong because they are 'technically' depriving someone of life?

well its different...cuz its fertilized

*makes speaker voice* 'the sperm is in the egg'...i repeat...'the sperm is in the egg'