Japan legalizes stem cell research!

Crash · 07-24-2004, 02:01 AM

Well, I guess so anyways, I heard it on the radio. If it is true, good for japan, now they'll have people living to 150 instead of 112.

personally i think stem cell research should be looked into by the US (probably already is). As far as morality is concerned, get over it, I say bring on the clones! (so if I get my legs blown off, I get get a clone to donate me some more!

ok, seriously, what do you guys think of Cloning/stem cell research.

---- for those who aren't familiar with this, stem cell research involves taking "garbage" embryos and cloning them. supposively to be used to grow organs/tissue etc to be used for donations etc. so if i drink too much and screw over my liver, they can take a piece of me, clone me a new liver, so I dont have to worry about it not integrating with my body.

what do you think? Japan's doing it, why not us?

manasecret · 07-24-2004, 02:10 AM

Cloning humans: Not right. Cloning especially wrong when used just to harvest organs.

Stem Cell Research: Not right. Considering they get the best stem cells from unborn embryos (read: aborted babies), I believe it's wrong. I'm against abortion.

I think the U.S. will eventually legalize stem cell research completely. But cloning will never be accepted.

Typhoid · 07-24-2004, 02:10 AM

I honestly dont really see what all the fuss is about. Same with cloning people, i dont get why thats wrong.

But i say good on you Japan, good on you. May you pave the way for science.

Jonbo298 · 07-24-2004, 02:11 AM

Japan is always 5 years ahead of us in everything

But much congrats to Japan. They think more of the medical benefits of stem cell research rather then the "moral issues" like Bush says.

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Freaky, 3 posts within a minute of each other..If I didnt spend the extra seconds thinking, it couldve been 3 posts in the same minute

manasecret · 07-24-2004, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

I honestly dont really see what all the fuss is about. Same with cloning people, i dont get why thats wrong.

But i say good on you Japan, good on you. May you pave the way for science.

My philosophy knowledge is slim to none, but if you're cloning yourself just to kill the clone and take organs you need in order to live longer, I think that's obviously wrong. If cloning is considered ok, then any clone has as much right to live as any normal born.

manasecret · 07-24-2004, 02:16 AM

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But much congrats to Japan. They think more of the medical benefits of stem cell research rather then the "moral issues" like Bush says.

That's retarded.

Why don't we do possibly fatal research on the old and almost dead. After all, killing is just a 'moral issue'.

Bush and many other Americans consider abortion to be murder. Murder is wrong.

Typhoid · 07-24-2004, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by manasecret

My philosophy knowledge is slim to none, but if you're cloning yourself just to kill the clone and take organs you need in order to live longer, I think that's obviously wrong. If cloning is considered ok, then any clone has as much right to live as any normal born.

Cloning and stem cell-ing ( if its a word) are different things, are they not?

Cloning is making another human being with the same DNA as a pre-existing human being.

Stem cells are for repairing people, youre not killing a clone, your taking embryos. Last time i checked, embryos arnt people.

Jonbo298 · 07-24-2004, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by manasecret

That's retarded.

Why don't we do possibly fatal research on the old and almost dead. After all, killing is just a 'moral issue'.

Bush and many other Americans consider abortion to be murder. Murder is wrong.

Because the older people still have life left in them.

I don't consider embryo's or stem cell's to be life yet because they haven't developed into anything yet. Thats just my opinion. You have yours

ZebraRampage · 07-24-2004, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by manasecret

Cloning humans: Not right. Cloning especially wrong when used just to harvest organs.

Stem Cell Research: Not right. Considering they get the best stem cells from unborn embryos (read: aborted babies), I believe it's wrong. I'm against abortion.

I think the U.S. will eventually legalize stem cell research completely. But cloning will never be accepted.

I think it would be okay to take stem cells from babies of a miscarriage..but they might not be the same since the baby is dead..

manasecret · 07-24-2004, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

Cloning and stem cell-ing ( if its a word) are different things, are they not?

Cloning is making another human being with the same DNA as a pre-existing human being.

Stem cells are for repairing people, youre not killing a clone, your taking embryos. Last time i checked, embryos arnt people.

Yes, in essence they are completely different.

You can get stem cells from cloned embryos, but there are far more issues about cloning than simply collecting stem cells. And there are far more issues about collecting stem cells than simply getting them from cloned embryos, if you catch my meaning.

As for embryos not being people, depends on who you ask. But by current U.S. law, embryos are not legally people (except after a certain amount of time and/or other technicalities).

That's why I think stem cell research will eventually be legalized. The law about embryos not being people isn't going to backtrack that far; abortion isn't going to be made illegal.

Which I agree with abortion being legal. Woman's rights are as important as unborn baby's rights. It's an unfortunate circumstance with the rights of one crossing another's.

manasecret · 07-24-2004, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ZebraRampage

I think it would be okay to take stem cells from babies of a miscarriage..but they might not be the same since the baby is dead..

No one's arguing that.

The only problem Bush and others have with stem cell research is that most stem cells are collected from aborted babies. Bush is against abortion.

Typhoid · 07-24-2004, 02:34 AM

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Which I agree with abortion being legal.

Whats this? But wait....

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Originally Posted by manasecret

I believe it's wrong. I'm against abortion.

Make up your mind and dont cantradict yourself so you can hold a propor position in an argument.

I know i know.

Crash · 07-24-2004, 02:36 AM

the last thing the world needs, is to have people live even longer than they are... people are already living 30 years longer than they were 40 years ago....

talk about over population!

Dylflon · 07-24-2004, 02:37 AM

Beleiving abortion should be legal and not liking abortion are two completely different things.

GameMaster · 07-24-2004, 02:52 AM

From a scientific standpoint, I think this is exciting news.

As far as moral controversy, I think it probably is wrong but I don't object because we're raising millions of chickens and cows in little farms just to kill the for food. And that's wrong in my opinion. Raising animals just to kill them. And don't even try to argue that we need those farms because humans don't need beef or chicken to live. So as long as we continue to breed animals just for consumption, I say go ahead and bring on the human breeding.