Michael Moore-on and 9/11

[Crash]

Ok, so apparently michael moore (michael moron) said the passengers of the 9/11 attacks were scaredy cats because they didn't fight back. Apparently if they weren't all white dudes, and were black instead, they would have stood up to the terrorists. This pissed off a lot of people. (myself included)

here's the link: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=30367

the reason they didn't fight back michael moron, was because the terrorists told all the passengers to be calm, and that they were returning to the airport. If no everyone stayed calm, everyone would be ok.

I like his filmmaking to an extent, but his political attacks are just retarded.

[Jonbo298]

If he really said that, then he needs to rethink that statement. The people aboard the first 2 planes to hit didn't have a clue on what to do because they've never seen it happen before (in the news at least). It took until the 4th plane before passengers knew about the other hijackings and though "We aint letting a 4th one **** with us" and took matters into their own hands.

[Dylflon]

To be fair, that's not the most credible news source.

I think it's safe to say that it's a pretty right wing religious site. Not that the views of these people aren't creible...it's just that these people just don't seem to like Michael Moore.

Check out some of the other headlines. Most of them have things to do with religious people or homosexuality or the new testament on DVD.

There are also ads on the page about books that bash Clinton.

I won't believe the Michael Moore thing until someone can find the story on another website. Until then I'll have a hard time taking that tidbit seriously. Maybe a neutral news website?

[Dylflon]

Found it in the Washington times. The way the Washington Times words it, it seems he was being very sarcastic. There's a part of Bowling for Columbine where he talks about people being afraid of black people. But even if he was being sarcastic what he said came out very wrong. Sure doesn't make him look good.

[Neo]

A lot of his work is entertaining but he does have the tendency to lose his mind from time to time. Regardless I think his new 9/11 movie is going to convince a lot of neutral voters to go for Kerry.

[Professor S]

I don't think anything Michael Moore does changes anyone's opinions or voting. If you lean to the left, you are going to stand up and applaud everything he puts out, regardless of the fact that he stages events, manipulates video and sometimes out and out lies, because you feel his intentions are in the right place. If you lean to the right you are going to completely dismiss anything he makes because he stages events, manipulates video and sometimes out and out lies.

Back on point, though, there has always been accusations that much of the inferences in Moore's work are inherently racist. He loves to draw lines between blacks and whites whenever possible, but these racist views are overlooked because they FAVOR black people. While favorable stereotypes may be more acceptable than negative ones, they are still wrong and racist at heart.

[Typhoid]

N/O here, but who are you to say he out and out lies, manipulates video and stages events? Did you work with him on any of these movies?

Just as easily and proofless that your saying he does these things i can do the same and say he is a credible source. We both have no proof. Its all by word.

I could say that Jon Stewart is a valid news source and all of his "field reporters" are actually in Iraq, not infront of a green screen. It doesnt make it true.

And i dont see how separating stats for Blacks and whites is racist. Is separating stats for Men and women sexist?

[Crono]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

He loves to draw lines between blacks and whites whenever possible, but these racist views are overlooked because they FAVOR black people. While favorable stereotypes may be more acceptable than negative ones, they are still wrong and racist at heart.

Of course they're overlooked since they favour black people, if anything favours white folks, it's automatically considered racist, which pisses me off.

But that's another story of it's own.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

N/O here, but who are you to say he out and out lies, manipulates video and stages events? Did you work with him on any of these movies?

Just as easily and proofless that your saying he does these things i can do the same and say he is a credible source. We both have no proof. Its all by word.

I've had about enough of this. You say all I have is my word, and I have respeatedly posted the Wallstreet Journal article... I REPEAT... AGAIN... WALLSTREET JOURNAL... ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED NEWSPAPERS IN THE WORLD... several times that POINTS OUT the misinformation, manipulation and lies of Moore's movies and you still don't get it, so I officially give up on you since I don't think you even bothered to read any of the sources I posted. Its not that you can't see the forest for the trees... you can't even see the damn trees when it comes to this issue.

But for everyone else, here is the article that the Wallstreet Journal cites for much of its information on Michael Moore's lies and hypocrisy.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

And here is the actual WALLSTREET JOURNAL article that mentions all of Moore's LIES.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/...l?id=110003233

Here is the address of an excellent Moore debunking website, but it does lean right, so take it with a grain of salt when they start getting into Marilyn Manson and moralism in general.

http://bowlingfortruth.com

And here is the link to the origional thread in which I already went through all of this, but no one listened because they are blinded by political affiliation.

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...=Michael+Moore

I'm done with this lunacy for now. The Strangler has left the building.

[Jonbo298]

The whole US Government is corrupt. I'm leaving it at that.

[Crono]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

The whole US Government is corrupt. I'm leaving it at that.

Every government is corrupt. No matter what, as long as you're in a position of power, the only you care about is the money.

So it doesn't matter what country... US, Canada, Russia, etc etc, all of the governments are fairly corrupt, some in different ways, and some in more ways than others. It is just the will to power.

[Seth]

I have a hard time admiring Moore as a film maker or person.

Sure, his 'documentaries' make millions but he does lie.

And if it isn't lying then it's twisted facts or facts that really have no relevance except to stir the emotions of the viewers.

Lose some ****ing weight and stop dressing like you've been at your computer for a week striaight without showering. It's a lame attempt to make himself look like just another blue collar. That annoys me.

And I hate his writing. I feel like he's talking to the readers like they're kids.

I really want to se fahrenheit 9/11 though.

[BreakABone]

I say the man speaks the truth.

I say we have a 10 black person minimum on each plane!

I've always wanted to see London.

His statement however does remind me of a skit from the Chappelle show as well as a joke from stand-up, but for some reason, I don't think humor is wanted in this thread.

[Typhoid]

I think he is a blue collard guy. So what if hes rich, money doesnt or at least, shouldnt change you. Some of you keep saying to stop looking like a regular person ( but in different terms) but he IS a regular person. Paris Hilton is a regular person. George Bush is a regular person. Money or a job doesnt change who you are and how you grew up. Look at me, i recently got rich ( my family did, not me directly) but i still act/look the same.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Jonbo298

The whole US Government is corrupt. I'm leaving it at that.

I'm sorry, but I'll return to this thread to ask one simple question:

Exactly what the hell does that have to do with anything we're talking about?