Return of the King - Spoiler Version

Jonbo298 · 12-18-2003, 12:18 PM

*You have been warned

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The only thing from RotK that confused me was the Eagles when they came and "evened up" the battle at the gates of Mordor. They basically came out of nowhere and as far as I know, they were never talked about in the other 2 movies. I haven't read the books yet, so there is a possibility they were talked more in the books. So can anyone explain the Eagles to me? That's about the only thing in the movie that confused me.

DarkMaster · 12-18-2003, 01:11 PM

Gandalf befriended an Eagle in the first movie allowing him to escape from Isengard. And I do believe an Eagle came to get him after his fight him the Balrog on the summit of that mountain in the second movie (could be wrong on that one, don't quite remember).

Jonbo298 · 12-18-2003, 01:34 PM

When I get some time, I'll rewatch the other 2 and see if I recognize the Eagle. Probably just something small I overlooked

Joeiss · 12-18-2003, 04:45 PM

That ealge dude picked up Gandalf from that big ass tower.

And ya, the eagles came out of nowhere! Lol, and those dragons could have kicked the crap out of the eagles... That was BS, IMO.

And the fact that that chick chopped the dragons head off with only like 2 or 3 chops was ridiculous, lol... And her whole "I am a woman" thing was totally like in Macbeth when Macbeth was killed by that dude (i forget his name, haha).

And yes, Legolas is a ****ing pimp.... He is so bad ass. The way he took down that elephant was phenominal. And the dead army kicks some major ass too.

Great movie. The ending could have been 20 minutes shorter, and the whole laughing scene in the bedroom was quite homosexual.

Golem is a little bitch, but his character is absolutely incredible.

Crash · 12-18-2003, 06:05 PM

i dug the whole movie, the only thing that bothered me was the fact they were like 10 feet from the lava, normally that'd burn them alive, oh well. they did a much better job of making the emotial aspect stand out in this movie than with the second one. the dragons were awesome, and the scene with pippen singing was done awesomely too. it's absolutely sad there is no more of these movies coming. lets bring the hobbit to the screen with peter jackson directing it.

i dont know if i liked the way all the orcs killed each other in the tower, people who didn't see the extended TWO TOWERS or read the books might be a little confused, but in the books there was always a lot of rivalry between the orcs from isengard and the ones from mordor. cool though, that in the first movie, sam didn't even have the bravery to ask the girl to dance, but when he gets home, he is trully named samwise the brave.

Rndm_Perfection · 12-18-2003, 11:09 PM

I believe Gandalf knows the large Eagles (Rocs, the seem to be) from "The Hobbit" when he crossed the Misty Mountains.

In The Fellowship, Gandalf communicated with a moth to hitch a ride from the Roc. In this film, the moth was shown right befor the Rocs appeared.

Rocs are very, very powerful. The Dragons that the Nazul fly are most definately menacing and have nice jaws, but they are carrying the Nazgul on their backs. It's like how I feel a wild horse would be able to beat on a horse with a guy on the back (assuming the guy is doing nothing). Also, the dragons are a little smaller, and the Rocs catch them off guard.

Err, Birds of prey are by no means pansies. The Rocs were a little bigger than the dragons, I believe... and anyone here know that birds can take out snakes?

Anywho, I agree about the woman thing. I disliked the fact that she could use a one-handed sword and lop off the dragon's head in one blow... which was AFTER she managed to dodge it's attack despite her heavy gear (shield, helm, sword, and body armor). The little feminist remark was funny too... expected...
I do, however, hold more respect for her after seeing her somehow take out the lord of all Nazgul. *sigh*

The lava thing... yeah, I find that hilarious. They went through freezing mountains but could take the lava with ease.

Oh well.

Ginkasa · 12-19-2003, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

I believe Gandalf knows the large Eagles (Rocs, the seem to be) from "The Hobbit" when he crossed the Misty Mountains.

They're not "Rocs." They're Eagles. Whatever any other fantasy author chooses to name giant birds of prey, Tolkien used "Eagles" thus your use of "Rocs" is incorrect.

Sorry, but that just kind of annoyed me...

Anyway...

Yeah, the Eagles are from The Hobbit originally. I remember there was something in The Hobbit that made the Eagles being in the battle outside Mordor pretty neat, but I can't remember what it was...

*shrugs and walks away*

Canyarion · 12-19-2003, 04:06 AM

Damn sweet. Just plain great.

I cried 4 times:
"DEATH! DEATH!!" from the Rohirrim,
"The Eagles are coming!!" just because that was such a great prhase in the book,
Aragorn and everybody bowing for the Hobbits. BEST SCENE!!!!!!!
Frodo and stuff leaving. Basicly the whole ending scene.

Blast this movie is great!

At first it kinda annoyed me how they changed this from the book, for example the whole Osgiliath thing (in the book it was already taken months ago and you don't hear anything about it).
But the second half of the movie made up for everything.

The army of the dead was cool, but I thought it was a bit over the top. They way they saved the day... oh well.

Legolas was great. How much damage can one person do?

The scene with Éowyn and the Witch King could have been better if you'd ask me. Why didn't they give her her original words?
-"Thou fool! No mortal man may hinder me!"
-"But no mortal man am I" and then perhaps "I'm a woman", don't remember if that's in the book...

Sam going to Rosie was GREAT!

We were all like 'Go Sam! Go Sam!'

Haha did you see Peter Jackson??? I think I did.

He's on one of the ships, a fat man with long black hair.
And when I saw his kids, I was really like 'Oh no! It's them again!

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I'll stop now, or else nobody will read my long post.

DarkMaster · 12-19-2003, 11:39 AM

Can someone tell me how Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, and the Army of the Dead got onto those ships which were suppose to be carrying enemies?

Canyarion · 12-19-2003, 11:56 AM

Yeah I'll tell you.... ehm you find that out when Aragorn tells it... so it´s not really detailed. They basicly scared the *peep* out of the Orc armies with their undead army and then they took their ships... I think the whole army drowned or something, I'm not sure. That's basicly it.

Professor S · 12-19-2003, 05:02 PM

Great movie. I thought the whole Eagle part needed to be explained more fully to the movie audience who were not familiar with the mythos.

A lot of people criticized the length of the end, but I thought it was fitting. This was an epic movie series that deserved an epic ending that tied all the loose strings.

So, after 3 years of waiting this entire series more than filled my expectations, but I am left depressed. Depressed because this was the end. There will be no more Lord of the Rings movies. There is no more anticipation. It is the December 26th of the movie world. I only hope someone has the brains to pay for the rights to The Hobbit.

Ginkasa · 12-19-2003, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

I only hope someone has the brains to pay for the rights to The Hobbit.

Its not that New Line and Peter Jackson aren't willing to buy the rights, its that the Tolkien Estate isn't willing to sell it. The Estate has never supported the movies. The only reason the trilogy was made was because Tolkien himself had already sold the rights to it back in the 60's or something like that.

But Peter Jackson has already said he would like to make The Hobbit and Ian McKellan has expressed interest in reprising his role as Gandalf (and of course New Line would want to make it considering the success of The Lord of the Rings).

*shrugs and walks away*

Professor S · 12-19-2003, 05:35 PM

The Tolkien estate doesn't own the rights, as a animated version of the Hobbit was made long ago, I think someone in Rankin/Bass owns them and is asking for some rediculous price for them. New Line needs to just pony up the dough and make the damn movie.

I read a sad article about the Tolkien's a while back. The grandson was all for the movie versions and offered to help in making them, but his own father disowned him for doing so and now the grandson will receive nothing from the estate. Sad sad tale.

Ginkasa · 12-19-2003, 05:39 PM

That was a TV movie though. The rights for a TV movie and theatrical movie are different I think.

Anyway, here's a link saying that its the Tolkien Estate: New Line Pursues Hobbit Rights

*shrugs and walks away*

DarkMaster · 12-19-2003, 10:31 PM

Has anyone read the Similarion (sp?)? And if so, what exactly is it about? If memory serves me right, it's something like a bunch of smaller stories that take place in the first age of middle earth, or something like that anyway.