how do you feel about the nwo angle?

[Bizzyman]

do u think itll pay off?

like...none of them can wrestle... maybe itll make vince SOME money cuz nash, hoga, and hall are huge names, but how about in the long run?

how are they gonna keep the fans interested for 3 years? with the same old boring matches.i dont think hogan can last 15 min with the rock- which is the only one he said hell job to. and a 15 minute wrestlemania main event aint gonna cut it..

i think vince is stupid for doin this

[Ridley]

Bizzy what the hell are you talking about? Hogan may not wrestle like he used to (but he can still wrestle), but Hall and Nash can still wrestle well. The way it sounds to me is you're saying they'll be the only ones in the nWo or something . If that's the case, then man are you wrong . Vince is anything but stupid for doing this, if done the right way, this will get a lot more fans watching, which means more money and more ratings. Now granted, it may not turn out to be a success, but I think it will anyways. 3 years down the road, the nWo may still be there, they may not but as for the here and now, it should prove to be very successful. In 3 years they'll probably have come up with something else anyways .

[nWoCHRISnWo]

This won't make Vince "some" money, it'll make him a lot. Just imagine the sells on the nWo shirts alone. Definitely for the short term, he'll make money.

As for "none of them can wrestle..." what have you been watching for the past few years? You think Vince cares about WRESTLING? Anyhoo, IMO Scott Hall is a better wrestler than most of the guys in the WWF right now, Kevin Nash is a big man who's just as good as most big men (may be lazy, hold people down, etc. but this is the WWF owned by Vince now, not WCW where Nash did whatever the hell he wanted. He's supposedly in great shape and shaved off some pounds since we last seen him in WCW.), and Hogan is Hogan. If you think the nWo, more specifically Hogan, ain't gonna make money, you're kidding yourself.

I've always felt Hogan's matches were underrated (as Hollywood mainly). He plays one of the best heels in wrestling, and while he's not Chris Benoit, I ****ing enjoy it. He does everything a heel is "supposed" to, a real old school heel. He uses eye rakes, scratches, eye pokes, low blows, rolls out of the ring to avoid fighting, gets his opponents to come to him, etc. And even if you don't like his matches (I've felt a few cage matches he's had were great, like Savage vs Hogan, Hogan vs Bossman, no joke) they're almost always memorable. Hogan vs Warrior, Hogan vs Savage, Hogan vs Andre the Giant, who's ever gonna forget those?

And I don't think Hogan is gonna be a wrestler in WWF for very much longer, buy Vince would be crazy NOT to have Hogan wrestle for a while. There are a lot of dream matches just waiting to happen that will be bigger money drawers than The Rock/Austin will ever be. The Rock vs Hogan, Steve Austin vs Hogan, Ric Flair vs Hogan again, it doesn't take a moron to figure out that these matches should take place before Hogan retires.

And as Ridley said, nWo isn't only going to be those three guys... You put Jericho and Mr. Perfect in there (and Angle, although I don't think he really fits, it looks to be shaping up that way kinda...) and you've got a group full of big names, and they can wrestle, too.

And "same old boring matches..." So you're saying you'd rather have the nWo NOT come in, and see The Rock fight Kurt Angle, Triple H, or Austin for the eight millionth time?

Hogan didn't say he'll only job to The Rock either, where the hell did you pull that from?

Vince IS stupid for doing this, I agree there, but that's only because he would have never had to do this if he didn't screw up the Invasion angle in the first place. He's now doing what he should have done in the first place.

PS. Why does everyone have to whine about everything? People bitch about nWo being rehashed again, they bitch about Hogan, Hall, and Nash being old, they bitch about them holding down talent, they bitch about what they'll do in WWF as if they can tell the future, they bitch all the time. Why don't you just enjoy WWF now, it's the best it's been for a while. When's the last time WWF built up a PPV as good as NWO 2K2? Like Wrestlemania 17? The way I see it, The Road to Wrestlemania (from RR to WM) is always a great time for WWF, stop bitching and enjoy it.

[Bond]

Originally posted by Bizzyman
do u think itll pay off?

like...none of them can wrestle... maybe itll make vince SOME money cuz nash, hoga, and hall are huge names, but how about in the long run?

how are they gonna keep the fans interested for 3 years? with the same old boring matches.i dont think hogan can last 15 min with the rock- which is the only one he said hell job to. and a 15 minute wrestlemania main event aint gonna cut it..

i think vince is stupid for doin this

If you don't think he's going to make any money look at these very forums. Do you see the nWo avatars and sigs?

[Ravishing Rick Rude]

Originally posted by Bond

If you don't think he's going to make any money look at these very forums. Do you see the nWo avatars and sigs?

* Looks at avatar*

No...




Bizzy: you have no idea how much money vince willl make because of this.

You think those RVD Thumbs and shirts sell quickly? The nwo is like 100x more catchy, the symbol is so great, the music is bad ass
and the wrestlers can put on good 4 star matches.

So pretty much No Way Out is gonna be.

Just........Tooo........... ( NWOChris Finish This off)

[Joeiss]

Damnit... I can't watch No Way Out tonight. I feel so violated, somehow.

Like Nova said, nWo t-shirts selll like crazy. I should know, I only have 3 of them

[Professor S]

The NWO angle won't get over if the WWF uses them like they did last night.

Blech, that was awful

[Ridley]

Oh man I don't even want to mention No Way Out ...... but I will . Angle vs. Y2J? That's so damn lame. Of course the way I see it, that won't be the main event for the title come WMX8. Also about the nWo, it wasn't a terrible return at NWO but they could have done so much more with it.

[Professor S]

I have no idea WHY the WWF decided to just have them walk out and do a lame promo. That totally killed their heat.

They should have just run out and beat the crap out of Austin and cost him the title, while doing all thier signature spots. The crowd would have exploded. But as was evident sunday night, the WWF really didn't want a hot crowd I guess.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Strangler, I somewhat agree, but after Raw things have changed and nWo looks like it's gonna be "grand."

And HOGAN IS GOD! His interview was ****ing amazing. "I made wrestling!" "If it wasn't for me, none of you would be here!" The corwd alternating between "ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY!" and "HOGAN! HOGAN! HOGAN!" was amazing. Nobody else in this sport can, as a heel, make people say 'ROCKY SUCKS! ROCKY SUCK!"

Just imagien when he turns face again, The Rock thinks he's popular...

[Professor S]

he already did turn face again, in the WCW, and then the WCW folded like a pair of 2's. Hulk Hogan's return is good for a dream match or 2, but this is in no means a comeback.

Hogan's time is DONE. Once he gets in the ring and tries to work with the younger guys, you'll know why. As for his big pops,thats to be expected with a legend. If Ric Flair had come back to the WWF as a heel, he would have gotten the same face reaction from the crowd. If it lasts past WM however, thats a different matter.

As for Raw, they did a great job of getting the NWO over after a horrible introduction, I will give the creative team that. Even if the whole Ambulance was a little too over the top.

[Joeiss]

Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
Just imagien when he turns face again, The Rock thinks he's popular...

Hells yeah. I can't wait until Hogan walks down to the ring in the good old red and yellow, or should I say red and yella... lol. If Hogan has one last stint as the "Real American", boy will I be happy.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

Strangler I ment when he turns face again (as in for another time, not for his second time). Anyhoo, I disagree with you. Hogan's time is definitely not done. He never did rely on his in ring work for any of his heat (face heat or heel heat) and as long as Vince plays him right, he could last a while. He has charisma that few match, and when you're that good on the mic, you'll get places whether you're good in the ring or not (especially a legend).

And Ric Flair would have got a pop, but NOTHING like that of Hogan. The marks don't like Hogan because he's a heel and they like the Rock, the smarks don't like Hogan because they think he's an old guy who doesn't put anyone over and can't wrestle, yet he got the pop he did. You have to realize that he was standing face to face with The Rock, RIGHT AFTER dissing the crowd and acting like an arrogant son of a bitch, and the night after costing Austin the Championship, and the people were chanting "Hogan! Hogan!" Say what you want, but Flair wouldn't have got that. That was amazing. I think it'll last long past Wrestlemania too.

[Professor S]

Chris, you are marking out over here. I understand that you are a Hogan fan, but still, he alreeady did put the red and yellow back on already and it FLOPPED. Its old and cheesy. Will it be good for a cheap pop? Of course. But so is this whole NWO angle if they don't get any new high up recruits in there.

But if they start building the NWO "B" team like they did in WCW, this will just fail eventually. It has been proven again and again in this industry, you CAN'T go home again.

As for Flair not getting the same pop? You're definitely marking out for Hogan there. Flair was the FIRST heel to get face pops in the history of wrestling. Did Hogan inspire the entire wrestling fan community to spontaneously shout "WHOOOO!!" everytime anyone knife-edge chops someone? No, that was Flair. Plus Hogan might have dissed the crowd, but you could tell his heart wasn't in it. His body language wasn't that of a heel at all. He STILL played up to the crowd, but then again thats about it for him in the ring anyway. That is a no-no if you're truly trying to get over as a heel. He doesn't WANT to be a heel. He wants the crowd to like him. As long as he is a likeable heel, that will work. The red and yellow WON'T.

Wrestling fans become programmed over time to react a certain way to wrestlers. For example, whenever The Undertaker comes out on his hog with "Rollin" playing, the crowd face-pops for him, but they boo everything else he does afterwards (except for the hardcore Undertaker fans). That is because the fans have been programmed in the Skinner Box that is profressional wrestling arenas to react that was to that stimulus. The same is true for Hogan. When he looks at the crowd and cups his ear with his hand, the crowd would go nuts even if he clubbed a baby seal in the middle of the ring. He isn't playing the heel, no-matter what half-assed heel promo he gave.

Also, notice his chants didn't really get that loud until AFTER the Rock got in the ring and confronted him? They were chanting for the match-up more than just for Hogan.

Plus, that episode of Raw was in the mid-west, Chicago I believe. The mid-west is pretty much known as mark-central. If that Raw was broadcast from Philly or NY, the pop would have still been big, but the NWO fans would not have been out in such full force. The WWF knew this and thats why they fully debuted the NWO when they did. They didn't get that much of a reaction the night before in Jersey. Not even close.

With that said, Hogan and The Rock will make for an ELECTRIC Wrestlemania. But the WWF will be hard pressed to keep the angle going after that. Hell, they had to wreck a Semi and an Ambulance to really get it started.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

"Chris, you are marking out over here."

I sure as hell am, but nothing's wrong with that. There's too many smarks who look ONLY for workrate alone and take the negatives of every single situation.

'he alreeady did put the red and yellow back on already and it FLOPPED."

I don't think something that happened in WCW at that time can be compared to... Well to anything. Hulkster coming back to the WWF after a ten year hiatus (is that the right word?) going against Vince McMahon would be MONEY.

"Its old and cheesy"

That's what everyone says about every old angle. And how said you can't change it? I said make him a face again, not make him exactly what he was in 1992.

"But if they start building the NWO "B" team like they did in WCW, this will just fail eventually."

What's your point though?

"As for Flair not getting the same pop?"

If I'm marking out for Hogan, you're being an uber-mark for Flair here. Flair didn't get the same pop and he came back as a face.

"Flair was the FIRST heel to get face pops in the history of wrestling."

I hope you're kidding.

"Did Hogan inspire the entire wrestling fan community to spontaneously shout "WHOOOO!!" everytime anyone knife-edge chops someone? No, that was Flair"

So what, it's a catchy thing to do. Same way the fans will say "R...V...D!" whether or not Van Dam is a heel or face.

If Flair was as big a name as Hogan, then Vince would have got Flair to wrestle The Rock, and later I'm sure Austin, not Hogan.

"Plus Hogan might have dissed the crowd, but you could tell his heart wasn't in it."

Whoa, now you're just acting crazy. He blatantly made fun of them, mentioned Michael Jordan, and was acting as arrogant as hell, and just acting arrogant makes you an instant heel in most cases.

"no-matter what half-assed heel promo he gave."

Ahh, the truth comes out. You're just like 90% of all the other smarks. You won't give Hogan any credit at all. I don't know what standards you go by, but that promo was fantastic.

"Also, notice his chants didn't really get that loud until AFTER the Rock got in the ring and confronted him?"

That means nothing, they were showing that they liked Hogan and/or respected him over the Rock. If anything that works against your argument here.

"They were chanting for the match-up more than just for Hogan."

I guess that's why they were chanting "ROCKY SUCKS!" and bowing down to Hogan, not to mention chanting for Hogan before any match was made.

"The WWF knew this and thats why they fully debuted the NWO when they did. They didn't get that much of a reaction the night before in Jersey. Not even close."

No, they debuted them fully when they did because it was the night after the PPV that they interfered in the main event of...

They didn't get too big of a reaction because they didn't do much. On Raw, Hogan made his interview, they kicked the hell outta the Rock, Austin called them out, etc. And since when does it matter where they are? I guess Flair's pop in the Carolina's or any place he wrestled in earlier shouldn't count either.

"With that said, Hogan and The Rock will make for an ELECTRIC Wrestlemania. But the WWF will be hard pressed to keep the angle going after that. Hell, they had to wreck a Semi and an Ambulance to really get it started."

No they didn't, the crowd was going crazy during the Hogan/Rock interview, the beating was just a great addition.