Equality? Heh...

BlueFire · 08-22-2002, 11:58 PM

http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/788120.asp?cp1=1

For people with broadband, check out the video.

Basically, Rev. Paul Scott is working to make Hip-Hop/Rap exclusive to blacks, but I doubt that'll happen. One reason is the first amendment. The rapper, Coolio, is against Scott's views. Mr. Scott seems to be using Malcolm X as a backup a lot (Malcolm X before his conversion to Islam). While I can care less about rap (

), I think this is a pretty sad crusade that Paul Scott is on.

What do you guys think?

GameMaster · 08-23-2002, 12:18 AM

I think it's pretty stupid myself. What did Malcom X do that Mr. Scott uses to support his idea. What's Coolio up to these days? Is he still making music? I love "Gangster's Paradise."

BlueFire · 08-23-2002, 12:21 AM

Well, according to that video, it says he should have a new album this October.

GameMaster · 08-23-2002, 12:28 AM

Can someone give me a little background on Malcom X so I can understand how Mr. Scott uses him in his supporting idea? Sorry BlueFire, I don't have cable anymore so I'm only limited to those who have watched it.

DeathsHand · 08-23-2002, 12:34 AM

Sounds pretty stupid to me

He's probably is just like "THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS BEEN ROBBED OF ONE OF OUR GREATEST (not

) THINGS BY WHITE BOYS LIKE EMINEM WHO COME IN HERE AND SELL A BILLION RECORDS! EXCLUSIVE THE BLACKS! IT'S OURS! ALL OURS!"

.....

Seriously though, how could you make a form of music exclusive to blacks?

It seems like some people go overboard with the whole... black... issue... They get these special little dates and celebrations and stuff, and then like one little thing happens and people scream "RACISM!"

meh... wuteva...

BlueFire · 08-23-2002, 12:40 AM

http://search.biography.com/print_record.pl?id=17275

This might help you.

Edit: Hey really didn't use Malcolm X as a backup, but he brought up a few of his quotes.

The Germanator · 08-23-2002, 12:41 AM

So...if I sit down and right a rhyme right now and rap it...it would be illegal. Ridiculous. Heh, I could just call it "poetry to a beat". Who does this guy think he is? That's like saying only white people can use light bulbs becasue a white man invented it (well, maybe not exactly the same, but you get the point). Dumb, dumb, dumb...now I know why I sometimes feel like I have social anxiety disorder, because so many people are dumb!

nWoCHRISnWo · 08-23-2002, 01:25 AM

Ahh, black people. Can't live with them... Can't live... with them...

Considering the only rap I like is from Eminem, they can suck a dick.

Shadow Fox · 08-23-2002, 03:40 AM

*walks into GT*

*enters thread*

*unsheathes memory*

*unsheathes...[what's that again? Oh yeah]- katana*

*waves to Saffire and Killaine*

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Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo
Ahh, black people. Can't live with them... Can't live... with them...

Considering the only rap I like is from Eminem, they can suck a dick.

And why is it that you like Eminem's rap ONLY? Find three good reasons for that, then I'll commend you-as well as prove something more in the process...standby.

Saffire brought this subject to my attention, and in fact, there are some interesting points brought up by all three parties (journalist, Coolio, and Scott) regarding the issue.

For one, Rev. Paul Scott is correct in the way that the first ammendment is "bended" to cater to the Americans of caucasian descent- think of how long rap was banned in many states because its GENERAL (not wholistic image), promoted violence, drugs and sex...while, well- do I even need to mention Ozzy Osborne, Aerosmith or Marylin Manson's lyrics?

There was even one point where the Million Man March was going to be stopped for fear of "deviant activity", when in actuality, any Woodstock or Spring Break concert could be ten times worse with tons of wild kids with no shirts and an assload of beer and whatnot. There is a difference.

The other point is that rap was created and intended to be used for black people to express themselves fully across rhythmic beats and snares about life's trials and tribulation-thus the term "hip-hop culture". Money and mainstream media has, if not destroyed, totally crippled the stance and reason hip-hop stands as an artform- so why not add whatever you want to it now?

Those were about the only valid points Scott made in regards to this; seeing that he knows little to nothing about the entertainment industry (let alone the rap/hip-hop industry) as a whole.

The reporter (I forget his name), made up another interesting point- Eminem taunts the very reason why Scott should want rap banned from whites. Eminem speaks of how he's "the worst thing since Elvis Presley" (for the uneducated, "Rock and Roll" was taken from Jazz/Blues artforms, also founded by black slaves of the old south as motivational tools). He even speaks of how he "uses rap music rather selfishly" and "used it to get himself wealthy".

While I myself am a fan of Eminem as an artist (the fact that he bars the very buyers of his music through metaphors and blinds the average mind with a catch-phrase to conceal the message is very clever indeed-nwoChris happens to be one of those buyers

), I do feel that Eminem needs to hold his toungue a tad (especially if there would be worldwide panic if say, Nelly started speaking in his same method), and that he does get a little too much favortism and is bending the genre. Since when does a rapper get on the cover of Rolling Stone Magazine? Hmmm...

And last I checked, there isn't a bit of "rock" on any album he's done (underground or mainstream), yet groups like Outkast and Goodie Mob have tons of rock samples or full songs, and get overlooked- maybe it's because they convey a strong, positive message, and not just "let the bodies hit the floor" over and over again, but eh...

Finally, Coolio is DEFINATELY correct about the role of white America and rap music- it would not exist without the constant support (and finance tracking/publishing deals) given through the money wad that wealthy blacks (at that point in time) were too "afraid" to invest with. As far as white artists "taking away" from the industry, I doubt that will happen anytime soon. Even if it did, it's sure to make things interesting...Hell, look at football, baseball, basketball, and even golf and tennis now....alot more competitive than it once was in the "Jim Crow" assisted South and Northern United States in the days of old.

While I do agree that the first ammendment does warrant freedom of speech across all race/genders, that has not ALWAYS been the case, even as of recent. I honestly do believe if the power of Congress was primarily in the hands of a race other than caucasian ethnicity, alot more freedom in music as a whole would be assessed across the entire racial spectrum.

But then again, that's just IMO, so sue me.

-......????

gekko · 08-23-2002, 11:59 AM

For one, did that fake Rev. dude look a lot like Penguin, or am I just seeing things? And my god was he a dumbass.

And then Coolio tells him he's a fool. I LOVE IT!

Bond · 08-23-2002, 12:02 PM

Being a Rev. is basically a joke now. You can easily buy that title.

Yoda9864 · 08-23-2002, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bond
Being a Rev. is basically a joke now. You can easily buy that title.

Lol, it's so true. Yeah, this is pretty sad.

IMO, I think country should be exclusive to whites...

Revival · 08-23-2002, 01:41 PM

This is so gay, they want rap music to be exclusive to blacks? I'm surprised someone hasn't brought up the point of segregation again. Seriously, who gives a f**k? If you want to be a rapper, and you can make it, that's fine -- do whatever the hell you want. Yoda brings up a good point with Country music for whites only -- try to limit this and everything else will have restricitons on it.

R&B can only be for blacks
Rap can only be for blacks
Country can only be for whites
Heavy metal can only be for whites

I mean, how far is this crap going to go? Stop trying to seperate every goddamn thing in this country. Let people do what they want, if you're white, and you want to be a rapper -- fine. Let the public decide if you're popular. I think these artists are making a huge stink because they ain't getting the airplay they want because of other artists (such as Enimem). Sorry to say, but you don't control if you're popular -- the public does, and if the public likes Enimem over your ass, then that's life -- f**king deal with it.

nWoCHRISnWo · 08-23-2002, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by Shadow Fox
And why is it that you like Eminem's rap ONLY? Find three good reasons for that, then I'll commend you-as well as prove something more in the process...standby.

Three good reasons for my liking a certain rapper? I don't need "good" reason, I like his rap so I'll listen to it. But seeing as how you're probably going for the "it's because you're racist" thing, I'll give you some reasons why.

First thing first, Eminem doesn't just rap about money, girls, and cars like 99% of all the other rappers do. Another thing, I can hardly understand a word that most rapper's say, while I can understand pretty much everything Eminem says. Oh yeah, and Eminem is just entertaining, he can make any words rhyme and make sense, and he's hilarious. "Will Smith doesn't have to cuss to sell his record, well I do. So **** him, and **** you too." He makes fun of everyone and I like that.

Gimme three good reasons why I should like Nelly, Snoop Dog, or other rappers and not Eminem.

DeathsHand · 08-23-2002, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by nWoCHRISnWo

First thing first, Eminem doesn't just rap about money, girls, and cars like 99% of all the other rappers do. Another thing, I can hardly understand a word that most rapper's say, while I can understand pretty much everything Eminem says. Oh yeah, and Eminem is just entertaining, he can make any words rhyme and make sense, and he's hilarious. "Will Smith doesn't have to cuss to sell his record, well I do. So **** him, and **** you too." He makes fun of everyone and I like that.

I can't stand most rap, but I like Eminem's... Well, some of Eminem's... the stuff I've heard... For exactly the reasons Chris listed here

Well, the first two at least... I can't stand how so many rappers sing about girls and cars and BLING BLING! And they don't even farkin' speak english half the time...

But Chris is still a racist bastard and should die...

J/K