Microsoft sides with Nintendo in fight vs Sony

Teuthida · 05-11-2006, 11:27 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051100612.html

Interesting. Very interesting.

Canyarion · 05-11-2006, 11:43 AM

"Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3?" Peter Moore, a Microsoft vice president, said in an interview. "People are going to buy two (machines.) They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3."

Dyne · 05-11-2006, 11:49 AM

Good on Peter.

And it looks like Ken Lobb has done good in their offices.

Typhoid · 05-11-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Canyarion

"Tell me why you would buy a $600 PS3?" Peter Moore, a Microsoft vice president, said in an interview. "People are going to buy two (machines.) They're going to buy an Xbox and they're going to buy a Wii ... for the price of one PS3."

But what people dont seem to understand is that the PS3 is retardedly powerful compared to a Wii, or 360.

Yes, they can buy both of those systems. But if they are looking for stunning graphics, they wont get them.

The Wii (in that sense) can barely be called Next Gen. It looks barely anything different other than ridding a few rough edges, than a Gamecube.

The 360 has made an improvement, but it's an Xbox. Xbox.

Plus nomatter what Microsoft puts out, they dont have to charge the actual cost, because they're a huge wealthy company, so if they want to make it all "lolz we shipped more dan uuuuuu" they can cut the price, because they can make the money up in Computers or software.

Canyarion · 05-11-2006, 04:13 PM

I wonder if people will really see the difference between 360 and PS3. Not that I've looked into the graphics, the consoles haven't interested me so far.

Null · 05-11-2006, 04:24 PM

its hard to say at this point... graphics will probably be like that of ps2 vs xbox... but later on ps3 will have the advantage of having better versions of games just like the xbox did over ps2.

infact, the most visually good looking game actually being PLAYED that i saw, was Gears of War for Xbox360, while the PS3 game Resistance or something whatever its called was closely followed. but then agian i expected that from the engine is running on

the best looking game was MGS4 hands down, however running in real time it may have been, it just wasnt phisically being PLAYED in any of the vids i saw.

GameMaster · 05-11-2006, 05:44 PM

I think his extension of friendship toward Nintendo is cool. You have to remember though, if Nintendo was the leader and Sony was behind with Microsoft, Peter would've found a way to isolate Nintendo and lash out at them. That's business.

Bond · 05-11-2006, 05:48 PM

I was thinking of an interesting situation last night. With Microsoft's early lead right now, and with GTA IV no longer being a PS3 exclusive, and the PS3's high price point, I see Sony possibly slipping. This would open the door for Microsoft to gain the top console ranking, with Nintendo naturally falling second, and Sony slipping all the way to third. I think it's a very real possibility.

Null · 05-11-2006, 06:30 PM

Sony may very well slip. however with the lead (fanbase wise) they arleady have, i really cant see it happened in a single console gen, it may open the doors for a MS lead next gen, but i couldnt see it happening in 1.

the only thing that doesnt make sense with what you said is "nintendo naturally falling second" what does that mean? why would they fall second naturally? there would have to be some reason, why wernt they naturally second this gen?

(not that they couldnt be second or even first. its just that you said it like its a given with no reason what so ever)

Canyarion · 05-11-2006, 07:43 PM

I think that even when mor Wiis are sold than 360s, people will still consider Nintendo second.

Some don't take the Wii seriously.

Comparable: I think Nintendo made the most money on their consoles/games this generation, but they're still 3rd...

MuGen · 05-11-2006, 08:20 PM

the whole concept of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd is mostly and solely based on units sold, and not profit margin. I probably would agree with you, if you turned in sole profit margins Nintendo would probably be in a clear first.

but according to units sold, PS2 this gen was the clear number 1 with Microsoft in 2nd and Nintendo in third.

I honestly don't think PS3 would so easily slip down to third this generation. It's got a bunch of fans that are dying to purchase it, and as one of them the price has not shaken my resolution. I mean, there are those who think it's expensive and overpriced, and there are those who see it as a smart purchase, considering what's in the machine.

If your into games and just that, I'd say get the Wii........ but I've always been a very technological person and always loved having the latest... so spending $600 on a PS3 with a Next-gen blu-ray player and all the other bells and whistles is a good bargain for me, and not just over priced. Later developers will make good use of the 50 gig BDR's and eventually it will present Microsoft with a huge problem as Developers flock to the BDR to create more extensive content and compelling gameplay. Microsoft will now have to add an HD-DVD peripheral which according to analysts could be another $199... now add that on top of the premium Xbox 360 and you've got yourself $599....

Now... spend another $200 on a HD-DVD add on, or spend $600 initially for a great console with an HD disc reader already, along with connectivity with the PSP and don't forget the possibilities of having LINUX on the HDD. Can you imagine the dev tools that could ship with games on the PS3?

Jonbo298 · 05-11-2006, 09:01 PM

I had an unbiased reply typed up earlier today, but yannow, with this beyond annoying "Server is too busy" message, I'm getting tired of this. The boards aren't even that heavily used, comeon.

Good for MS, maybe good for Ninty. Sony will do its own thing.

In 2-3 years, a 2x Blu-Ray player will be bleh I imagine. 2x dvd players are bleh. 2x cd-rom players are crippling.

Its too early...

Dylflon · 05-11-2006, 09:08 PM

Dear fanboys,

PS2 had a pretty high release price as well. That didn't stop it from having a greater quantity of great games and moving millions of units. Didn't PS2 win the last generation?

Anyways, I'm not trying to be a Sony fanboy or anything but Sony always manages to get great games exclusive and I'm sure the price will eventually come down so it's not so easy to count them out.

Null · 05-11-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I had an unbiased reply typed up earlier today, but yannow, with this beyond annoying "Server is too busy" message, I'm getting tired of this. The boards aren't even that heavily used, comeon.

Good for MS, maybe good for Ninty. Sony will do its own thing.

In 2-3 years, a 2x Blu-Ray player will be bleh I imagine. 2x dvd players are bleh. 2x cd-rom players are crippling.

Its too early...

jonbo... thoes arent measured in the same way... the #X is just the speed at which the disc is spinning. DVD's take in a lot more data in 1 spin then a CD can... so it doesnt need to spin as fast as a CD. thats like saying a 16X DVD is way way slower then a 56X CD. its just totally different.

granted a 2x does sound slow, but bluray reads much much faster. so the disc doesnt need to spin as fast and the system doesnt need to work to keep it spinning at that speed. it helps everything. i think a 2x bluray is pretty much equal to a 16xDVD. i had read something on it being faster.

now no doubt they'll prolly make a 4x Bluray drive eventually... but i dont see it going that much higher. wouldnt do it any good to spin that fast.

Dyne · 05-11-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

PS2 had a pretty high release price as well. That didn't stop it from having a greater quantity of great games and moving millions of units. Didn't PS2 win the last generation?

There's some confounding conclusions to this line of thinking, though.

For one, the PS2 launch was HALF that price. Wikipedia shows,

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US$299.99 (October 26, 2000, Launch Price) (CAD$344.99)

But I remember it being $400-$450 here in Canada, due to the horrible dollar at the time, and even more because most of the systems at first were being bundled with GT3. Maybe that's why you're under the impression it was expensive. At that point in time, if the PS2 was $600, it would very well be $800 up here, at least.

PS2 was also released earlier (albeit later than Dreamcast) than the other two, which gave developers time to make great games. PS3 is launching later. Meanwhile, kickass Xbox 360 games are coming out, and the Wii is showing an extremely good launch with Metroid, Zelda, AND possibly Mario.

As well, Bluray is not an established format yet. PS2 had DVD, which, from "Twister"'s pressing in 1996, made it a four-year format at that point. DVD was one of the big reasons PS2 sold so well, but Bluray is totally questionable right now, what with its uncertain future against HD-DVD.

The PS2 is almost extraneous in this situation, disregarding brand loyalty and games. If MGS4 moves to 360 like Microsoft is heavily pointing to right now, and the price does not drop, this could very well be bad news.