Fahrenheit 9/11 - Page 4

Jonbo298 · 06-29-2004, 05:05 PM

You all need to remember Moore is not a democrat nor a republican since its making it sound like he is

Professor S · 06-29-2004, 05:13 PM

Actually he is a registered Democrat in New York and is actually registered to vote in 2 states.

Gee, did Michael Moore lie again? Go figure.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628041moore1.html

Stonecutter · 06-29-2004, 05:55 PM

Now that is absolutely ridiculous.

Do you have any idea how many people are registered as either democrats or republicans but vote for neither?

My dad will punch republican for every election from now till the end of time but he's still a registered democrat because he believes that by voting democratic during the primaries (which is really the only place were registration matters) he can help nominate what he feels to be a "lesser" candidate.

Professor S · 06-29-2004, 07:00 PM

Its not rediculous at all. You and he claimed that was independent. He is not. He is a registered and ACTIVE Democrat according to the state of New York. He has never resigned from the party, which is very easy to do. In fact, its so easy I DID IT. Up until the year 2000 I was a registered Libertarian. In 2000, I switched to independent.

In conclusion. Moore said he was independent when he is an active member of the Democratic party as of his last voting in 2001, as is shown on his registration card. So he lied, and you believed him, and when it was exposed that he lied you quickly excused it because Michael Moore can do no wrong. See how that works?

BTW, anyone else think its sad that such a active political icon hasn't voted in THREE YEARS? I sure do.

Typhoid · 06-29-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

BTW, anyone else think its sad that such a active political icon hasn't voted in THREE YEARS? I sure do.

I dont.

What if ( hypothetical) he voted for Bush, then he couldnt get mad at him, because he helped put him in office.

Which arises a question, if you vote for Bush, then don't like what hes doing, do you have the right to get mad at him? You helped him.

I think since he didnt vote, technically, he can get mad at whatever president he wants with no fault of "Helping them" get there.

Professor S · 06-29-2004, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

I dont.

What if ( hypothetical) he voted for Bush, then he couldnt get mad at him, because he helped put him in office.

Which arises a question, if you vote for Bush, then don't like what hes doing, do you have the right to get mad at him? You helped him.

I think since he didnt vote, technically, he can get mad at whatever president he wants with no fault of "Helping them" get there.

That may be the weakest, most son-sensical reason for not voting I've ever heard. So he doesn't vote, because it would hinder his ability to criticize people in power? The same guy who said he wanted to "see change in his lifetime" refuses to vote, which directly helps to make change, so that he can continue to feel free to criticize and make movies that make him even richer????

Oh wait, that actually sounds a whole lot like Michael Moore. Never mind, you were dead on.

Stonecutter · 06-30-2004, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

Its not rediculous at all. You and he claimed that was independent. He is not. He is a registered and ACTIVE Democrat according to the state of New York. He has never resigned from the party, which is very easy to do. In fact, its so easy I DID IT. Up until the year 2000 I was a registered Libertarian. In 2000, I switched to independent.

In conclusion. Moore said he was independent when he is an active member of the Democratic party as of his last voting in 2001, as is shown on his registration card. So he lied, and you believed him, and when it was exposed that he lied you quickly excused it because Michael Moore can do no wrong. See how that works?

BTW, anyone else think its sad that such a active political icon hasn't voted in THREE YEARS? I sure do.

Um, no.

First, what I said.

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

Paragraph 2: Anyone who has followed Michael Moore's career knows he's no fan of the Democratic Party

Secondly, in Illinois, (this may not be the case in New York.) in order to vote in the primaries, you have to register as a member of one party. If Moore wants to have a say as to which democrats are nominated, he has to be a member of the democratic party. Does this make him a de jure member of the democratic party? Yes, but de facto he's not a democrat by his word alone and, thus, it's not a lie, and I don't even thing you're anal enough to expect him to unregister and reregister before and after every single election.

If this were a matter of fact, you'd have a point. Since we can all choose our political affiliations, this isn't a matter of fact as it were, it's simply a matter of party identification. Moore doesn't identify himself as a Democrat, therefore he's not.

If you can find me a quote where Michael Moore says he is not a REGISTERD democrat, than I will conceed the point to you and crawl back into my hole, but based on the information you've provided, you're wrong.

Dylflon · 06-30-2004, 02:30 AM

Strangler, you're missing the point in the congressman interview scene. He doesn't care if people have nephews overseas. That congressman didn't send them there.

The point was that these people encourage other people to send their children to war but refuse to send their own.

Zaglar Ninja · 06-30-2004, 05:00 AM

I'm hurting myslef? ok im going to make this simple... and.... talk... really... slow.... Bush... lies... lots... more... than.... moore. get it? Listen to what moore says, take out the facts he claims, check them. Is that so hard? you take the facts that are true and you take the facts that are false and he is always going to have a stronger argument against Bush. Why is it so important to take the false points and use them against his fact points? I simply ignore what is fiction and listen to what is fact. try doing that with bush, you get like 5 minutes of listening for an hour long speech.

oops I started talking at normal speed again, well with any luck you might have been able to understand

Professor S · 06-30-2004, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

Strangler, you're missing the point in the congressman interview scene. He doesn't care if people have nephews overseas. That congressman didn't send them there.

The point was that these people encourage other people to send their children to war but refuse to send their own.

Dyflon, if Michael Moore doesn't care that the Congressman had a nephew overseas, why did he take the time to carefully edit out his full response, yet leave in his initial expression? Why not just edit it out competely, or leave it in the whole response if he was going to use it at all?

Answer, and an obvious one at that: It might actually make a republican look like he's not a completely evil member of a secret society out to destroy the world. He cared that the Congressman didn't look like a complete son of a bitch, so he edited it out, like he does with ANY response that doesn't suit his agenda. He does this in ALL of his movies and Bowling for Columbine is his most shining example.

For Michael Moore to allow anyone he does not agree with politically to be viewed as anything but stupid, or evil in his would offend his own beliefs.

He omitted it on purpose to decieve, therefore it is a lie.

And Stonecutter, you can still vote for a President when you are an independent, you just can't vote in a primary, as primaries' purpose IS FOR A POLITICAL PARTY TO CHOOSE A CANDIDATE. If Michael Moore wants to be able to choose the Democratic nominee, then he has to consider himself a member of the Democratic party. But then again, I suppose Michael Moore wants to be able to have it both ways, which is a pattern for him.

Also, considering his penchant for lying, I am not willing to "take him at his word" that he is independent. All the evidence in the world says he is a Democrat, therefore he is a Democrat. Thats how it works. In the real world its what you do and whether or not you have factual evidence that counts, not just what you say. I don't believe Mr. Moore ever got that memo.

One last thing, what do you think about Moore not voting in three years? He always said he wanted to have change in his lifetime, but he hasn't done anything in three years to directly attempt to make change. A little odd don't you think? Maybe... hypocritical?

Bond · 06-30-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaglar Ninja

Listen to what moore says, take out the facts he claims, check them. Is that so hard? you take the facts that are true and you take the facts that are false

Would you please demonstrate your magical ability to seperate facts and lies in the movie Fahrenheit 9/11?

Professor S · 06-30-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaglar Ninja

you take the facts that are false

That statement is utterly BRILLIANT

Null · 06-30-2004, 12:29 PM

heheh. reminds me of that beer commerical with the cartoon doods.

guy 1... you take out the facts that are false!

guy 2... brilliant!

guy 1 and guy 2... BRILLIANT!!!

Jonbo298 · 06-30-2004, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Strangler

One last thing, what do you think about Moore not voting in three years? He always said he wanted to have change in his lifetime, but he hasn't done anything in three years to directly attempt to make change. A little odd don't you think? Maybe... hypocritical?

What do you think seriously has been going on that Moore needs people to change in the past 3 years? If he's a registered democrat in NY, that doesn't mean he has to vote democrat. Name something in NY or elsewhere in the past 3 years that needed Moore to go across country and spread his O P I N I O N. Absolutely NOTHING basically. This year's presidential election is something he will most likely vote. It's something major alot of people do. In the 3 and a half years between presidential elections, there isnt much else to vote for. There are local elections, but turnout to them is absurdly low anyways.

I'm not trying to say no one votes in between elections, its just that people don't care much about local elections.

Typhoid · 06-30-2004, 03:57 PM

Strangler have you seen the movie?

Because im pretty sure i remember you saying you didn't, yet your saying things how Moore edited the congressmans response, first, if you havent seen it, how would you know. And second, if you have how would you know what his actual response was? Obviously they didnt show the response, so how do you know he didnt give just what he said.

And let me ask you this Strangler, If you have 3 kids, would you send them willingly to war? I doubt it. If oyu have kids, the last thing you want to do is send them into war, yet you would have no remorse for sending anyone elses children to war, now would you?

( You're probably in favour of the draft, arn't you?)