Return of the King - Spoiler Version - Page 4

Vampyr · 12-28-2003, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hero2

The Movie reminded me of a good game of warcraft
they started out building up forces (note the humans and elfves are on the same team)
they start fighting, the orcs have more units because there cheaper to make
the humans have some medium units(cavlary) Then the orcs come out with the big stuff...then you get pissed off and cheat(ghost army) and then its just clean up work from there. It makes cents well at least to me it does

the end of the movie, after the ghost army, was kind of boring imo

Thats so correct it's scary.

Danchastu 4.0 · 12-29-2003, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Homosexuality. This movie was FULL OF IT! And what makes it worse, Ian McKellan really IS gay. I mean, that scene where they were all laughing in that room, and frodo and merry and pippin are on the bed...that was just wrong.

When I read the books I got a much greater sense of homosexuality. Especially between Sam and Frodo. It seemed quite toned down for the film. My friend thought Sam's marriage was just him being in denial. Oh well. To each his own.

Vampyr · 12-29-2003, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danchastu 4.0

When I read the books I got a much greater sense of homosexuality. Especially between Sam and Frodo. It seemed quite toned down for the film. My friend thought Sam's marriage was just him being in denial. Oh well. To each his own.

Lol. I havnt read the books.

But when Sam got married, I leaned over and told one of my friends "I wonder if she knows about his homosexual tendacies?"

Twas funny. I was only joking of course. The Homosexuality innuendo isnt too bad, but it kind of makes me uncomfortable sometimes.

Seth · 12-29-2003, 02:13 AM

Macduff killed Macbeth.

And the ending scene in the bedroom with all the hobbits...err that was kind of gay. In the books Sam is constantly groping Frodo...so that was toned down a bit. I was laughing when Gimli came into the room....looked like he had sex in his eyes. And gandalf laughing. meh.

My favorite scene was when Pippen was singing and Gondor's calvary were charging teh orcs at the river.

And, when you see the movie again,, make a note when aragorn jumps out of the boat and starts walking/running towards the orcs. I dont' know if it was in slow motion or what, but it made him look like he was strutting down a fashion runway.

Crash · 12-29-2003, 03:00 AM

you guys are crazy, well the part where frodo runs into the door to mount doom, he kind of "ice skates" his way right, looks kinda weird. i think aragorns speech was not nearly that powerful. the way he delivers his lines is kinda wimpy, i didnt even pay attention to what he was saying. just me, aragorn has a super gentle voice not a kingly voice like he should. oh well.

Canyarion · 12-29-2003, 03:34 AM

It seems that he had another speach in the trailer.

I want to see the movie again. Soon.

IMO the Army of the Dead was kinda cheesy done. In the book it's not like they totally depend on it.

'For Frodo' was cool.

GameMaster · 12-29-2003, 12:26 PM

I like the part where Gandalf is riding across the vast battle field and then he hold up his staff and a mighty and brilliant white light emits from the end of it.

DarkMaster · 12-29-2003, 01:34 PM

My question is, why in the hell would Aragorn let the army go after the battle of Pelennor when he could have kept them for aid at the black gate?

Canyarion · 12-29-2003, 01:36 PM

That was the worst part IMO.
In the book, Gandalf is actually A COOL FIGHTER!

In the movie he doesn't use any magic.

GameMaster · 12-29-2003, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkMaster

My question is, why in the hell would Aragorn let the army go after the battle of Pelennor when he could have kept them for aid at the black gate?

Because they only agreed to helping fight one battle.

Happydude · 12-29-2003, 02:19 PM

acually the plan at the black gate was though of after he released them allready...

Ginkasa · 12-29-2003, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkMaster

My question is, why in the hell would Aragorn let the army go after the battle of Pelennor when he could have kept them for aid at the black gate?

Considering Aragorn had to actually convince the ghosts to fight in the Battle of Pelennor, there's no guarantee that they would have done what he wanted afterwards. Besides, they might have attacked him if he didn't keep his word to let them go.

Besides, it would have been cruel and unusual and ruined the "cool good guy" image Aragorn has if he betrayed the ghosts and didn't release them like he promised.

*shrugs and walks away*

DarkMaster · 12-29-2003, 05:46 PM

But the curse was that they would give aid in the great war until Sauron and all his forces were stricken from Middle Earth. And the plan to attack at the black gate was always a pretty inevitable battle, I mean they didn't have it planned until after the pelennor battle, but everyone always knew they would have to attack there someday before it would all end.

And the ghosts couldn't have attacked Aragorn, he's the king of Gondor and their only way to be rid of their curse (until the next generation of the king that is, but there's no guarantee there would be another, like Aragorn could die before having kid(s), or his kid(s) might not even bother with the ghosts).

Ginkasa · 12-29-2003, 07:52 PM

The curse was that they would come and defend Gondor when they were called, not help defeat Sauron. It was also a one time thing. They just had to make up for their past cowardice and fight in another battle.

And if they thought that they would never be free of the curse. they may attack Aragorn for betraying them. They were about to when he first asked them to join him.

And the battle at the Black Gate was not actually necessary for victory, not the way you mean anyway. If Frodo and Sam were able to get to Mount Doom and destroy the Ring without needing a distraction, it would have ended without a battle. It was not a battle that was foreseen from the beginning of the war and one that they were trying to avoid I think.

*shrugs and walks away*

DarkMaster · 12-29-2003, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ginkasa

The curse was that they would come and defend Gondor when they were called, not help defeat Sauron. It was also a one time thing. They just had to make up for their past cowardice and fight in another battle.

And if they thought that they would never be free of the curse. they may attack Aragorn for betraying them. They were about to when he first asked them to join him.

And the battle at the Black Gate was not actually necessary for victory, not the way you mean anyway. If Frodo and Sam were able to get to Mount Doom and destroy the Ring without needing a distraction, it would have ended without a battle. It was not a battle that was foreseen from the beginning of the war and one that they were trying to avoid I think.

*shrugs and walks away*

The King of the Dead attacked Aragorn at first because he took him for just a regular man, but Aragorn pulled out the sword of the king and defended against his attack, therefor proving he was the King of Gondor, and right after that all the ghosts did not dare think to attack him.

Whether or not the battle at the Black Gate was forseen, it was still obvious that the war was not yet over after the fight a pelennor, and the assistance of an invincible army would indeed have been a tremendous asset in whatever future attacks they would need to take against Sauron and his army.

Aragorn called to the army to aid him against Sauron's forces, he did not specify a specific place or a specific battle in which this aid was needed, it was a general need of service against the enemies. Therefor, when the Dead King asked to be freed after the fight at pelennor saying "you gave us your word" it wasn't actually proper, as Aragorn could have kept them in service for as long as the enemy still existed and still wouldn't have broken his promise.