Another great idea by the US government

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

lol, tell me, if the WMD have already been found than why is bush still trying to convince the global community that they will find them???

however illegal the weapons may be, the point is that they are not the ones that the war was started over, so therefore, they are not yet proven guilty

Ah, so once again we are back to semantics instead of arguing the facts of the case. Good work.

This is why laws are enforced using the LAW, in this case the laws decreed by the UN, and not the court of public opinion or the media.

[Crono]

Gimpy, no offense, but you are quite misinformed about this topic. I think you should stop wasting other people's time by posting bad posts about this topic in particular.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Crono

Gimpy, no offense, but you are quite misinformed about this topic. I think you should stop wasting other people's time by posting bad posts about this topic in particular.

i am not really misinformed, i just post my opinions, just because i don't believe in war doesn't mean i shouldn't have my views of it. This entire war is based more on opinion than on plain facts, its the opinion of the US government that Iraq has WMD, *which btw North Korea is openly admitting to having them / manufacturing them and yet Iraq is the bigger threat *cough*oil*cough**, and as for US doing this for Iraq's people, that is a load of crap, the war was started on faulty information, yet the US government still decides to stand behind it. I gather all of this from watching CNN which is supposed to endorse the american war (more or less), so its not about being misinformed, its simply that so little of this war is based on pure fact

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

i am not really misinformed, i just post my opinions, just because i don't believe in war doesn't mean i shouldn't have my views of it. This entire war is based more on opinion than on plain facts, its the opinion of the US government that Iraq has WMD, *which btw North Korea is openly admitting to having them / manufacturing them and yet Iraq is the bigger threat *cough*oil*cough**, and as for US doing this for Iraq's people, that is a load of crap, the war was started on faulty information, yet the US government still decides to stand behind it. I gather all of this from watching CNN which is supposed to endorse the american war (more or less), so its not about being misinformed, its simply that so little of this war is based on pure fact

FACT - Iraq was in material breach of 1441

FACT - Iraq never attempted to cooperate with the UN inspectors, as decreed by UN law and admitted to by Hans Blix. Under 1441 this alone was grounds for forcible removal.

FACT - Iraq had the means to produce WMD, in both materials and facilities.

FACT - Already nearly 10,000 Iraqi people have been found in mass graves since the war ended. Hussein's regime murdered an estimated 1.5 MILLION of his people.

So far you facts are the following:

FACT - The US hasn't found WMD...

and thats it.

The rest is opinion. I repeat, good job.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

i am not really misinformed

Actually, you are. There's a lot about this war that you have clearly shown that you don't completely understand.

its the opinion of the US government that Iraq has WMD

Actually, it's a fact.

North Korea is openly admitting to having them / manufacturing them and yet Iraq is the bigger threat

It is not the policy of the United States to wage war against every country with these weapons. North Korea situation is completely different. They're using it as blackmail to get what they want. If you don't understand that, you're misinformed on North Korea.

*cough*oil*cough*

While you're doing research, do some on the US and oil. You'll find the US kisses Saudi Arabia's ass for oil, but you'll find Iraq and oil makes absolutely no sense and in many ways is going completely backwards. If you haven't noticed, the US is trying to get out of the Middle East, not dig in deeper.

as for the US doing this for Iraq's people, that is a load of crap

Do you speak for the US government? I guess you forgot the hundreds of times the US helps others in need, and gets no thanks for it. Add this to the list.

the war was started on faulty information, yet the US government still decides to stand behind it.

Some of the intelligence was faulty, which comes to no surprise to anyone who understands the intelligence industry.

I gather all of this from watching CNN which is supposed to endorse the american war (more or less), so its not about being misinformed, its simply that so little of this war is based on pure fact

CNN has never been pro-war. And watching CNN you are misinformed. they'll give you the headlines, brief bits of information to give you a slight idea about what's going on, but everything is much much deeper than that. You never took the time to dig deeper and understand the full situation. Do some research, it'll be good for you. Or listen to some of us, we've more or less told you most of the things you missed.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

[quote=gekko]
Actually, it's a fact.
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no it isn't, it shall be a fact when i see the president of the united states come up to a podium and announce that WMD have been found, until then, it is merely educated guesses. Canada has the means of producing WMD, that doesn't mean we have them. just because a country is capable of something, it doesn't mean its happening, i'm capable of hurting a person that i really hate, that doesn't mean i'd do it. i'm also capable of throwing my video card out the window for not supporting Open Gl , but again, it doesn't mean that i will.

[gekko]

It's a fact that the weapons existed. Canada has never had an arsenal of weapons in the first place, the only nuclear weapons they ever had belonged to the US. Canada has the means to produce them, but chooses not to.

Iraq had the weapons, do you even believe that? Weapons don't disappear, they are either destroyed, or they still exist, and they were not destroyed. You put the pieces of the puzzle together.

It's a fact that Iraq had WMD. It's a fact that they didn't destroy the WMD. The Strangler has said this as well.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

alright, where have they gone? and not only that, but y is it so hard to believe that maybe they were destroyed? regardless of documentation, either that or they were sold to the highest bidder. sounds exactly what the former Iraqi regime would do since they know that if they ever use the weapons the US will put their a*s on grass anyways (which happned anyways, but ya)

[Bond]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

alright, where have they gone? and not only that, but y is it so hard to believe that maybe they were destroyed? regardless of documentation, either that or they were sold to the highest bidder. sounds exactly what the former Iraqi regime would do since they know that if they ever use the weapons the US will put their a*s on grass anyways (which happned anyways, but ya)

A. Saddam destroyed them during the time period we gave him to leave the country.
B. They are in Syria or another Middle East country that supports terrorism.
C. They are hidden in Iraq.
D. You need to research this issue.

Please remember that Saddam knew for months we were going to attack him. He had plenty of time to hide all of his illegal weapons.

[gekko]

If I knew where, we would have them. If you want my guess, they're in a secret underground bunker that few know about. Now we must assume most of those who know are dead, some are hiding, and the few who are non connected to the regime (like scientists) fear for their lives. The guy is a master at keeping them hidden, and then we take all inspectors out of the country, giving him an easy chance to move them, in the open, and no one can stop him.

Why do you have a double standard?

USA: "Iraq has not destroyed their arsenal"
You: "I don't believe it, I need proof!"

Iraq: "We destroyed them"
You: "Ok, I believe you"

Iraq had these weapons. Iraq does not have any evidence to show that they have been destroyed. You know what that means? They still have them. You want your facts? There they are.

[Hero2]

evidance that they been destroyed
isnt that the point of destroying them for them not to be there to be shown
but i dont know the whole stories or atlest both sides of the story that and i dont care what the goverment does because if they want to thell do it no matter what

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

blah

everyone knows that i'm not gonna give in, and everyone REALLY knows that gekkos not gonna give up, so being the spineless person i am, i'm jsut gonna end this. I can be told as many times as need be that i'm misinformed, but i keep giving the same evidence, as do Gekko and strangler, so basically this arguement is going nowhere......fast!


its been a good debate yet i see no point to continue, my name is gimpy, and keep watcing the skis....err...skys


*3 days later* - Gimpy ----> <------Gekko

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

blah

everyone knows that i'm not gonna give in, and everyone REALLY knows that gekkos not gonna give up, so being the spineless person i am, i'm jsut gonna end this. I can be told as many times as need be that i'm misinformed, but i keep giving the same evidence, as do Gekko and strangler, so basically this arguement is going nowhere......fast!


its been a good debate yet i see no point to continue, my name is gimpy, and keep watcing the skis....err...skys


*3 days later* - Gimpy ----> <------Gekko

Agreed.

Er, except my names not Gimpy and I dont plan on blowing Gekko up.

Besides, its 3:40 am. Ill stop now before I post something incredibly stupid because of lack of sleep.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

I can be told as many times as need be that i'm misinformed

Take the hint

[Professor S]

Gimpy, exactly what "evidence" have you presented? The only evidence you have is that the US has not found weapons yet, and thats NOT EVIDENCE. But this argument ended being about the facts for you, and became a battle of wills long ago. BTW, holding your fingers in you ears and screaming while others try and inform you on the issues does not count as a successful argument. It just makes you look like a fool.

You can continue to think as you do, there is no law against being wrong.