Sony Motion Controller

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by TheGame

They haven't taken off? Last I checked Ps3 has sold around 35 million units, and 360 has sold around 40 million... compared to Wii's 67 million. To put this in perspective... Gamecube Sold 21 million and Xbox sold 24 million... compared to Ps2's 142 million.

Ps3.. the worst selling home console of this Gen, has outsold N64 already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._game_consoles

Ps3 and X360 are FAR from failures. This is something I see Bond trying to tell you over and over.

And I don't get why you refuse to answer why you think Wii won. You keep going on the offensive and pointing out that the other two consoles are failures (which is factually incorrect). I mean seriously, what does Wii have that Gamecube, Xbox, Ps3, and 360 doesn't have?? Or what Ps2/Ps1 did have??

I'll answer your question if you do me one favor.

In this thread, in any thread, find where I said that the 360/PS3 are failures, please for all that is holy, find me a quote where I state that they are failures.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

I'll answer your question if you do me one favor.

In this thread, in any thread, find where I said that the 360/PS3 are failures, please for all that is holy, find me a quote where I state that they are failures.

What did I just quote in my last post? You don't directly say it.. but you always want the discussion to be about what Sony and Microsoft did wrong opposed to what Nintendo did right.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by TheGame

What did I just quote in my last post? You don't directly say it.. but you always want the discussion to be about what Sony and Microsoft did wrong opposed to what Nintendo did right.

YOu are the most bone-headed, and retarded person I've had the honor to discuss anything with.

You and Typhoid are the ones who keep bringing up this PS360 experience, and how everyone will hop onto this PS360 experience.

And its been going on for 3-4 years, yes it sold better than most othr consoles, but it isn't lighting the world on fire. Especially being that one is the sequel to the best selling console of all time.

You folks act like this motion controller will finally change the world. That every single person who bought a Wii will find out that they have been ripped off, that they are playing subpar games with terrible graphics and not true HD/surround sound.

And its bullshit, plain and simple. People are so hung up with graphics here, that it hurts them to think that not everyone cares about it. How many hD games have come and gone and been the next best thing? How many do you think people will care about in a year? Two years? Next generation?

And let's say people do discover this, what makes you think, since you and Typhoid are so HUGE on the price difference, that buying a more expensive console on top of being add-ons, will make it a more appealing product?

Really... any type of numbers that show...

Hell if you want an example, blu-rays have been on the market for half a decade, HDTV peneration is at about 50% in the country, and let they are still outsold by DVDs like 3:1.

And as I tried and tried before, when I make this about the history of peripherals on its own, you go back to comparing it to the Wii.

So I'll pose this question, without some hypothetical bullshit you pull out of your ass, what makes you think that the PlayStation Move has a chance to succeed? And don't go on about the Dualshock becoming a standard because as I pointed out, that didn't happen until the PS2, hell even the Dreamcast released with a single analog stick.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

YOu are the most bone-headed, and retarded person I've had the honor to discuss anything with.

Thanks.

-EDIT-

As for the rest of your post.. I answered every question here: http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...6&postcount=19

And as typhoid is about to point out, nobody says everyone will up and abandon Wii for the Ps360. It's just that it will swing sales for people who want both.

[Typhoid]

You folks act like this motion controller will finally change the world. That every single person who bought a Wii will find out that they have been ripped off, that they are playing subpar games with terrible graphics and not true HD/surround sound.

And its bullshit, plain and simple. People are so hung up with graphics here, that it hurts them to think that not everyone cares about it.

That's not what I - and I assume 'we' - are saying at all.


I'll spell it out like this, imagine the future, if you will.


There is the Wii. Only a gaming system. Has motion control games. 150 dollars.
There is the PS3. Game system, dvd/cd/blu ray player, photo/music video sharer, HD capable from purchase, and has motion control games. 250 dollars.
There is the 360. Game system, dvd/cd player, music storage device, HD capable from purchase, largest online network for gaming, and has motion control games. 250 dollars.

Which gives the best overall value?

I'm not talking about now, which is what you need to understand.
I even went out of my way to say in a post that "This will force Nintendo in the future to actually make a competitive machine" - considering Sony and Microsoft will have taken everything away from the Wii that made it unique.

Will the Wii still get games, and sell units? Of course. Who the fuck here said Nintendo would shut down because of this? Nobody.

[manasecret]

I gotta agree with Xantar, BaB, and history and say it's an add-on peripheral and therefore will fail. I think things will be far more interesting in the next generation of consoles, which I predict will begin in 2012. I think it will be akin to the graphics going from the PSX/N64 era to the PS2/Xbox/GCN era, with motion controls being perfected by all consoles. Who will dominate then is the real question. Wii has already "won" this generation.

As far as whether _I_ will buy it, as soon as the PS3 Move has good games, I will be interested. I like shiny graphics as much as the rest of us, but I couldn't give two shits if the games are terrible. As of now, the impressions are that the games (with the possible exception of Move Party) don't live up to Wii standards of good motion games.

[Xantar]

There is the Wii. Only a gaming system. Has motion control games. 150 dollars.
There is the PS3. Game system, dvd/cd/blu ray player, photo/music video sharer, HD capable from purchase, and has motion control games. 250 dollars.
There is the 360. Game system, dvd/cd player, music storage device, HD capable from purchase, largest online network for gaming, and has motion control games. 250 dollars.

Which gives the best overall value?

I'm not talking about now, which is what you need to understand.
I even went out of my way to say in a post that "This will force Nintendo in the future to actually make a competitive machine" - considering Sony and Microsoft will have taken everything away from the Wii that made it unique.

This makes absolutely no sense. If you're not talking about "now," then when the hell are you talking about? Sony and Microsoft are releasing Move and Natal this year because they want it to sell well this year. It's not because they are trying to future-proof their consoles against Nintendo's next console. Yes, Nintendo is probably going to release a console with HD capability next time. And it will probably have improved motion control. I'm pretty sure they were going to do that anyway.

The only reasonable reading I can give you is that you think Sony and Microsoft are test driving motion control technologies so that they can use them in the PS4 and the Xbox 4Pi. But that would be stupid. Developing this kind of technology costs money, and when Move and Natal fail, Sony and Microsoft will be entering the next generation with a reputation for producing a copycat gimmick that didn't catch on. Just think of what IGN is going to say when the PS4 launches with a motion controller built in: "Sony has motion control in their machine. Let's hope it does better than the Move did."

Sony and Microsoft want their motion control devices to succeed this year. And the problem is they won't, no matter how neat-o you think they are.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Thanks.

-EDIT-

As for the rest of your post.. I answered every question here: http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...6&postcount=19

And as typhoid is about to point out, nobody says everyone will up and abandon Wii for the Ps360. It's just that it will swing sales for people who want both.

But that's exactly what you are saying, hell its what your last line is saying... of it won't abandon the Wii, people will just suport the Ps360 instead... how is that different?

Originally Posted by Typhoid

That's not what I - and I assume 'we' - are saying at all.


I'll spell it out like this, imagine the future, if you will.


There is the Wii. Only a gaming system. Has motion control games. 150 dollars.
There is the PS3. Game system, dvd/cd/blu ray player, photo/music video sharer, HD capable from purchase, and has motion control games. 250 dollars.
There is the 360. Game system, dvd/cd player, music storage device, HD capable from purchase, largest online network for gaming, and has motion control games. 250 dollars.

Which gives the best overall value?

I'm not talking about now, which is what you need to understand.
I even went out of my way to say in a post that "This will force Nintendo in the future to actually make a competitive machine" - considering Sony and Microsoft will have taken everything away from the Wii that made it unique.

Will the Wii still get games, and sell units? Of course. Who the fuck here said Nintendo would shut down because of this? Nobody.

See this is one of those rare discussion, where extended discussion leads to understanding.

Future-proofing their console is fine, hell I predicted like any intelligent person 3 years ago that motion controls will be the future, no one ever said that it had to be the Wii-mote specificially.

~Edit~
I think this article gets to the heart of my views
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/moving-on-article

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

But that's exactly what you are saying, hell its what your last line is saying... of it won't abandon the Wii, people will just suport the Ps360 instead... how is that different?

Seriously? And you call me a retard??

What I'm saying is.. that if a person wants a Wii and a Ps360, and can only afford one or the other.. the addition of motion controls to the Ps360 will increase the odds that they'd pick a Ps360 over a Wii.

Let me say it again, since I've repeated myself so many times, maybe saying it twice in one post might help. And I'll even bold the key words.

What I'm saying is.. that if a person wants a Wii and a Ps360, and can only afford one or the other.. the addition of motion controls to the Ps360 will increase the odds that they'd pick a Ps360 over a Wii.

Did I say anywhere in that line that Wii will be abandoned? No.
Did I say people will stop buying Wiis? No.
Did I say people will take their previously owned Wiis and toss them in a trash can? No.
Did I say Wii is obsolete? No.
Did I say people will no longer want Wiis? No.

So to quote your old post:

You folks act like this motion controller will finally change the world. That every single person who bought a Wii will find out that they have been ripped off, that they are playing subpar games with terrible graphics and not true HD/surround sound.

I never said anything even close to this. Not even REMOTELY close.

[TheGame]

And just for fun...

What I'm saying is.. that if a person wants a Wii and a Ps360, and can only afford one or the other.. the addition of motion controls to the Ps360 will increase the odds that they'd pick a Ps360 over a Wii.

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...2&postcount=39

And as typhoid is about to point out, nobody says everyone will up and abandon Wii for the Ps360. It's just that it will swing sales for people who want both.

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...3&postcount=34

So again, as I said before.. if someone wants both the full Ps360 experience, and the full Wii one, but can only afford to buy one or the other (or doesn't want to buy both).. This controller increases the odds that they'd go for the Ps360.

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...6&postcount=26

I just know the average Joe who wants both what Wii offers and what Ps360 offers are going to be swayed more towards Ps360 opposed to buying two systems or just Wii after these controls come out...

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...6&postcount=19

true, it requires more pieces of equipment, and more money.. but in the end, if someone likes both what the Ps3/360 offer and what the Wii offers, knowing that Sony offers the same gimmick (and more), might play against Nintendo's sales.

http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...8&postcount=17

If you don't understand what I'm saying, I can't help you.

[BreakABone]

Justin, here's the thing, and maybe you have some source I don't know about, but after 4 years, how many people do you think are REALLY on the fence about buying a Wii, 360 or PS3?

This is what neither of you have been able to prove or disprove. You talk as if there is a collective of people, who are just waiting for the PS360 to gain motion controls, and there is a group of people who are waiting on an HD-enabled Wii.

But you know all of this talk is going no where fast, so I'll just put it out there for you and Typhoid and anyone else, but do any of you intend to actually pick up the Move?

And here's another piece wrote on another forum,

I think I can finally articulate the problem that Move will have to overcome.

From the "casual" gamer standpoint, it doesn't really offer much that the Wii doesn't. I mean say its imprecise or inaccurate but for the average joe it hasn't made a difference in the last 4 years.

For the "hardcore" gamer standpoint, I see very few "hardcore" games that will use Move as an exclusive means of control so as a consumer why would I buy 3 pieces of hardware to play Move when it works pretty well with my DualShock/Sixaxis? It offers a more accurate means of control, but the one I have now works just fine as well.

I'm sure e3 may remove those doubts.

[Typhoid]

I don't know about, but after 4 years, how many people do you think are REALLY on the fence about buying a Wii, 360 or PS3?

4 years ago the 360 didnt have the promise of the Natal, the PS3 didn't have a motion controller, and BLu Ray wasn't really off the ground as it is now.

This is what neither of you have been able to prove or disprove. You talk as if there is a collective of people, who are just waiting for the PS360 to gain motion controls, and there is a group of people who are waiting on an HD-enabled Wii.

False.
We are saying what if there are people who don't have any of these systems yet. Not that they were waiting for something specific, just that there MAY BE people on this planet who haven't been able to afford a system. Are we saying the motion controller is the breaking point? Fuck no. We're saying if these people who don't have systems yet want a system, Sony and Microsoft have taken away the only technological advantage the Wii had.

That. Is. What. We. Are. Saying.

[BreakABone]

Okay, I think Typhoid and I came to somewhat of an understanding over MSN, if not, I really don't want to continue down that road. My issue here, and its what I'm going back to is getting the Move into households/selling it.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

False.
We are saying what if there are people who don't have any of these systems yet. Not that they were waiting for something specific, just that there MAY BE people on this planet who haven't been able to afford a system. Are we saying the motion controller is the breaking point? Fuck no. We're saying if these people who don't have systems yet want a system, Sony and Microsoft have taken away the only technological advantage the Wii had.

That. Is. What. We. Are. Saying.

So...we can all agree Sony Move is going to fail, right? Is anybody going to bother actually arguing my point?

[KillerGremlin]

Holy shit people, we need a group hug.

For the record I think the anal wand and Natal are going to fail...and those games for Sony look like shit. I thought the Wii had some crap on it but damn.