GameTavern PokeTournament! - Page 3

Combine 017 · 04-16-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

So what should we do about people who got less than a fair shake? My thought it to pick the 5 people with the shittiest teams and let them pick 5 Pokemon to get rid of and redraft.

As long as they dont get to hand pick the 5 new ones that sounds fine with me.

Dylflon · 04-16-2009, 04:59 PM

Let's come to a consensus on who has absolutely no chance.

I think only Fox and Swan got kinda screwed over. Everyone else seems to have enough to work with.

Perhaps we should make some ground rules for the couple people who received pokemon that are banned from some tournaments (specifically Togekiss). Maybe we should find out why each one is banned and then just forbid the player from exploiting that.

Combine 017 · 04-16-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

Let's come to a consensus on who has absolutely no chance.

I think only Fox and Swan got kinda screwed over. Everyone else seems to have enough to work with.

I dont have a voltorb. Im doomed!

BreakABone · 04-16-2009, 05:23 PM

I know only 4 members of my team... its been a really long time since I played a Pokemon game.

And currently only have access to 2 I believe, though think need to exchange my Haunter to get a Gengar.

Dylflon · 04-16-2009, 05:25 PM

Lawley's in the tournament (Frankenstan) and he knows a lot so I'll get him to tell me who has absolutely no chance, then you can jettison half your team for random redraft.

Start figuring out who you want to drop, Cam.

Swan · 04-16-2009, 06:25 PM

I have no idea if mine are good or not

Though Abomasnow looks really cool and has an awesome name

Vampyr · 04-16-2009, 07:15 PM

I don't see why Swan got screwed, he has some very nice pokemon.

Dylflon · 04-16-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

I don't see why Swan got screwed, he has some very nice pokemon.

But can we all agree Cam got boned,right? I'll do your redraft Cam. But just you. And these ones are final so good luck

BlueFire · 04-16-2009, 07:31 PM

I don't really know most of the pokemon in my draft, except mismagius, which is a good one.

Bulbapedia, here I come.

Angrist · 04-17-2009, 06:46 AM

That sounds like a fair system, although it takes longer to pick them using a random number generator.

Frankenstan · 04-17-2009, 12:11 PM

We could also draft based on the already predetermined tiers that are already available on smogon, which is where I have got most of my information involving tournament rules so far. If we drafted so that everyone got two from the highest tier, two from the middle and 6 from the lower tier, we could assure that everyone has an equal number of equally useful pokemon. This would not take dylflon too long to pull a draft from either as the lists already exist.

I'd suggest something like this simply due to the fact that the other drafting methods may lead to a lack of balance, for example: theslymoogle's draft compared to say Rock Adams or BLueFires, who probably have the strongest lists so far.

If anyone else likes this idea for the draft then help expand on it, since we still need to know how many from each list etc. that everyone thinks is best.

Edit - Also anyone whose list already conforms to the decided amounts from each list won't have to be redrafted. Dylflon's draft for instance has two from the highest tier (Dusknoir and Gallade), two from the middle (Swellow and Ninetails) and 6 from the lowest. This would also help save some more time compared to having to redraft everyone.

Dylflon · 04-17-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankenstan

We could also draft based on the already predetermined tiers that are already available on smogon, which is where I have got most of my information involving tournament rules so far. If we drafted so that everyone got two from the highest tier, two from the middle and 6 from the lower tier, we could assure that everyone has an equal number of equally useful pokemon. This would not take dylflon too long to pull a draft from either as the lists already exist.

I'd suggest something like this simply due to the fact that the other drafting methods may lead to a lack of balance, for example: theslymoogle's draft compared to say Rock Adams or BLueFires, who probably have the strongest lists so far.

If anyone else likes this idea for the draft then help expand on it, since we still need to know how many from each list etc. that everyone thinks is best.

Edit - Also anyone whose list already conforms to the decided amounts from each list won't have to be redrafted. Dylflon's draft for instance has two from the highest tier (Dusknoir and Gallade), two from the middle (Swellow and Ninetails) and 6 from the lowest. This would also help save some more time compared to having to redraft everyone.

Andrew, if you don't mind, you could find out what tier each persons mons are from, and then if their list works out then we won't redraft for them and just use the 6 that conform to a fair system.

But say they have too many top tiers (like Rock for instance), they have to pick two of them and throw the others out. If anyone is lacking mons from any tier, then we'll redraft those.

Or we can just redraft with those tiers in mind, draft 9 pokemon (3 from each tier) and take the banned ones out.

Let's get a public opinion on this.

Typhoid · 04-17-2009, 04:27 PM

PS Why didn't the gagger just re-use his Fission Mailed account?

Dylflon · 04-17-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

PS Why didn't the gagger just re-use his Fission Mailed account?

We couldn't remember what his old account was! It's so obvious now.

Frankenstan · 04-17-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

Andrew, if you don't mind, you could find out what tier each persons mons are from, and then if their list works out then we won't redraft for them and just use the 6 that conform to a fair system.

But say they have too many top tiers (like Rock for instance), they have to pick two of them and throw the others out. If anyone is lacking mons from any tier, then we'll redraft those.

Or we can just redraft with those tiers in mind, draft 9 pokemon (3 from each tier) and take the banned ones out.

Let's get a public opinion on this.

Either way works fine with me really, i'm only really interested in finding a method that everyone agrees with that allows for some decent balance. The specific reason for the 2-2-6 thing was that it requires people to use all 3 tiers rather then 3 of each which allows people to ignore the bottom tier entirely, which is not what I would like to see. Here is the list of how everyone's draft looks.

Dylflon
High-2 (Dusknoir and Gallade)
Medium-2 (Swellow and Ninetails)
Low-6

Typhoid
High-0,
Medium-3 (Typhlosion, Yanmega, Nidoqueen)
Low-7

Frankenstan
High-2 (Togekiss, Machamp)
Medium-1 (Clefable)
Low-7

Rock Adam
High-3 (Empoleon, Scizor, Magnezone)
Medium-1 (Magmortar)
Low -6

Vampyr
High-1 (Gyarados)
Medium-3 (Clefable, Ninetails, Crobat)
Low-6

Combine 017
High-4 (Dugtrio, Magnezone, Vaporeon, Porygon-Z)
Medium-2 (Sceptile,Rotom)
Low-4

BreakABone
High-3 (Dusknoir, Mamoswine, Gengar)
Medium-1 (Claydol)
Low-6

Swan
High-3 (Vaporeon, Abomasnow, Bronzong)
Medium-2 (Weezing, Houndoom)
Low-5

BLueFire
High-4 (Gliscor, Froslass, Porygon-Z, Machamp)
Medium-2 (Omastar, Mismagius)
Low-4

TheSlyMoogle
High-1 (Rhyperior)
Medium-0
Low-9

Fox 6
High-0
Medium-3 (Claydol, Feraligatr, Ninetails)
Low-7

Suprisingly, most lists are relatively close to 2-2-6 with only a few adjustments needed. Sorry about the length of the list, but it is useful to show how some people like Theslymoogle and Fox 6 have lists that are quite bad while Combine 017 and BLueFire have very good lists.