Return of the King - Spoiler Version - Page 2

Joeiss · 12-20-2003, 12:19 AM

What happened to Sauron? My sister said that they cut out like a 7-minute fight scene between Gandalf and Sauron at the beginning of the movie.. is that true?

Or did he die in the second movie? Because I cannot remember that.

Jonbo298 · 12-20-2003, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

What happened to Sauron? My sister said that they cut out like a 7-minute fight scene between Gandalf and Sauron at the beginning of the movie.. is that true?

Or did he die in the second movie? Because I cannot remember that.

I don't think he died. In the first hour or so of RotK, they mentioned that the Tree's had him blocked in. I just don't know why Sauron was never actually shown in RotK. Maybe the extended DVD will clear anything up.

Canyarion · 12-20-2003, 02:50 AM

Joe means Saruman I think. Yeah they cut out the death of Saruman. Extended Edition!!

Sauron became a tiny shadow without power.

I've read the Silmarillion twice. It's basicly all the big stories in the history of ME. I liked it really much. It explained the creation of everything plus the ancestors of Aragorn and some more.

Good read.

GameMaster · 12-20-2003, 02:03 PM

I liked the movie, it was great.

I liked how Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimmly come out of the ship and the Orcs are all laughing and then you see all dead people "flow" out of the boat and then the Orcs are silent and scared.

Yeah, I thought it was a little too convienient how once Frodo woke up in the castle that all the Orcs start fighting allowing the opportunity to escape and move around unoticed but apparently it has a reasonable explanation, it's like a rivalry between two different groups of Orcs someone said.

One thing I don't understand is how Gollum can be so strong and be able to take on the Hobbits when they fight and stuff, I mean, isn't he like over 100 years old? And he hasn't had the Ring for a while so where is he getting this unatural strength?

And how does Gandalf become Gandalf the White? I'm kind of confused, did Gandalf die when he fell and then someone in the afterlife decided he still needed to live or something? And what is the whole deal with the white name? I mean, is it a different Gandalf because I remember when someone calls him Gandalf in the second movie he acts like he forgot his name and stuff. And how does he become white? I mean does being white make him more powerful or something? And does he just wake up more powerful or did someone/something transform him? Explain this whole thing to me please.

I guess that's it for now. Actually, I also say that I thought all the giant battle scenes were really well done and very cool to watch.

Ginkasa · 12-20-2003, 03:47 PM

The white wizard is the leader and most powerful of the wizards. Saruman the White was the wisest and most powerful wizard until he became evil.

When Gandalf the Grey died, he was reborn as Gandalf the White making him the leader of the wizards. He isn't a completely different person; he still has memories of everything that happened before and he still has his base personality. He was just transformed into something more than his original self.

*shrugs and walks away*

DarkMaster · 12-20-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Canyarion

Joe means Saruman I think. Yeah they cut out the death of Saruman. Extended Edition!! :

I don't remember him dying in the book. They just talked to him in the tower and he's just standing around in there powerless so Gandalf leaves him there because he's no longer a threat.

Ginkasa · 12-20-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkMaster

I don't remember him dying in the book. They just talked to him in the tower and he's just standing around in there powerless so Gandalf leaves him there because he's no longer a threat.

In the book, they encounter him in the Shire. He takes over the Shire as "shiriff." I don't remember if the Hobbits just kick him out or kill him... I also don't remember a specific death scene though... I think I would if there was one..

*shrugs and walks away*

thatmariolover · 12-21-2003, 11:45 AM

Haha. You guys are funny. READ THE BOOKS! They're SO good. I personally haven't read the Silmarilion yet. My brother (Gambit if anybody remembers him), has read it.

Much earlier in Gandalf's life he befriended the Great Eagles. I believe the story was that their king or leader was injured and Gandalf saved him (little fuzzy). So the Eagle's leader was forever in his debt.

First time the debt was repaid (possible (not serious) spoiler for the Hobbit):
In the Hobbit many of the characters (including Bilbo and Gandalf) were chased up a tree by giant wolves. Somehow the trees caught fire near the bottom (I think) and the Great Eagles came and saved them.End Spoiler

Second time the Eagles helped:
In the Two Towers that butterfly (or was it a butterfly hummingbird?) came to him and Gandalf asked it to ask the Great Eagles for help). So the Eagle

Third time the Eagles helped:
In the Return of the King (to the best of my knowledge) Gandalf had sent word to the Eagles that help might be needed. Although, I don't recall them fighting off the Nazgul. But they did save Sam and Frodo.

What Happened to Saruman? Heh heh. Well, actually that's quite a long story. Almost the entire last third of The Return of the King book explains what happened to Saruman.

Kind of A SUPER SPOILER FOR RETURN OF THE KING BOOK
About 2/3 the way through the book the ring was destroyed and the Hobbits went on their way home. But upon arriving in the Shire, they find a huge guards tower blocking their way and nobody will let them in because it's night. Well, of course, after the ordeal they've been through they ignore they warning and go through anyway. But somebody has almost completely taken control of the law. Guess who? Saruman. Read the book to find out how it all turns out.

Jonbo298 · 12-21-2003, 11:48 AM

Ill get around to reading the books sometime.....

Jason1 · 12-21-2003, 12:54 PM

I have to give this last installment it's props, its the only one I didnt fall asleep while watching.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 12-21-2003, 01:20 PM

wow, i have the books, i just have yet to get around to reading them...i really gotta look into the whole Saruman and Shire thing....anyways, i loved the movie (aside from the fact my ass felt as if i had injected it with elephant tranquilizer). Hopefully the Hobbit's on its way as well

Jonbo298 · 12-21-2003, 02:32 PM

Also, RotK really showed the true friendship between Frodo and Samwise. And how Merri (spelling not sure) and Pippin's friendship would survive if they weren't together.

Anyone else agree with me that Peter really showed the friendships well in RotK

Ace195 · 12-21-2003, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by thatmariolover

Haha. You guys are funny. READ THE BOOKS! They're SO good. I personally haven't read the Silmarilion yet. My brother (Gambit if anybody remembers him), has read it.

Much earlier in Gandalf's life he befriended the Great Eagles. I believe the story was that their king or leader was injured and Gandalf saved him (little fuzzy). So the Eagle's leader was forever in his debt.

First time the debt was repaid (possible (not serious) spoiler for the Hobbit):
In the Hobbit many of the characters (including Bilbo and Gandalf) were chased up a tree by giant wolves. Somehow the trees caught fire near the bottom (I think) and the Great Eagles came and saved them.End Spoiler

Second time the Eagles helped:
In the Two Towers that butterfly (or was it a butterfly hummingbird?) came to him and Gandalf asked it to ask the Great Eagles for help). So the Eagle

Third time the Eagles helped:
In the Return of the King (to the best of my knowledge) Gandalf had sent word to the Eagles that help might be needed. Although, I don't recall them fighting off the Nazgul. But they did save Sam and Frodo.

What Happened to Saruman? Heh heh. Well, actually that's quite a long story. Almost the entire last third of The Return of the King book explains what happened to Saruman.

Kind of A SUPER SPOILER FOR RETURN OF THE KING BOOK
About 2/3 the way through the book the ring was destroyed and the Hobbits went on their way home. But upon arriving in the Shire, they find a huge guards tower blocking their way and nobody will let them in because it's night. Well, of course, after the ordeal they've been through they ignore they warning and go through anyway. But somebody has almost completely taken control of the law. Guess who? Saruman. Read the book to find out how it all turns out.

Gah I have the books and now you..you...you make me read how dare you

Dark Samurai · 12-21-2003, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace195

Gah I have the books and now you..you...you make me read how dare you

Cmon now its not that bad a read

Vampyr · 12-23-2003, 11:28 AM

I finally got to watch the movie yesterday.

I think it was the worst of the three (but Im not really sure...I sprang my ankle really bad right before the movie, and it was throbbing with the pain the whole way through. It really killed the experiance.)

It may have been the worst of the three, but it was still a kick butt movie. Truly awesome. There were somethings that were at tad fuzzy on how they happened...but not too bad. Can you imagine how long the movie would have been if they had shown everything? My ankle could not have taken not moving that much longer.

There are two gripes I had about it:
Dialogue. This last installment had the worst dialogue of any of the three. It was just really crappy at some parts.

Homosexuality. This movie was FULL OF IT! And what makes it worse, Ian McKellan really IS gay. I mean, that scene where they were all laughing in that room, and frodo and merry and pippin are on the bed...that was just wrong.

Also, there were way to many of those: Golden light scenes where everyone is smiling and rejoicing. I mean...the first few were beautiful, but they started getting tiring.