I have figured out THE MATRIX

Morpheus1 · 10-20-2003, 01:35 PM

Nitram. You are very much like me; I base everything I know about the Matrix on facts, not beliefs. With that said, Neo's little destruction of the machines at the end can not and will not be explained by reloaded. That part, like you said, was meant to give the viewers disbelief in the real world. That part has too much symbolic meaning, and it goes back to the point made in the first Matrix by Morpheus "What is Real?"

I think that the outside world could be fake, or even an older Matrix. Like The Architect said, the older versions were perfect, but man didn't have a choice. In Zion does it look like Man really has a choice? There is also a bit of symbolic meaning in one of the orphans giving Neo the Spoon. Maybe they realized they can bend it.

The outside world being fake would be a cheap way to end it, but, if it's fake and inescapable then I would consider it reasonable (we live in an inescapable world as we speak). Also, it could be explained by Neo being a machine who takes human form inside Zion and the Matrix. Like the last movie in the Animatrix, Matriculation, they plugged up a robot who took human form inside.

I doubt that the wachowskis would make a bad third movie. In reloaded they have already proved that they can think very deep, the only questionable part is the ending. In this series they have made two very thrilling endings, but they were all inconclusive. They haven't proven themselves when it comes down to a real ending.

Dark Samurai · 10-31-2003, 09:50 PM

ok just when i read this a had to speak.

i heard (im not sure but i think they're true, because they make sense) that the matrix is really a bible story retold.

heres why

1. Cypher says "hey jesus" to neo in the real world in the first movie
2. resurrection of neo being killed by agent smith
3. how neo fell on the wall when smith killed him (it kind of looks lke jesus on the crucifix)

and that most of the third movie is outside the matrix (i dnt think what i have to explain)

and that Seraph (the asian guy in the tea shop) was once "the one" in a previous matrix.

and remember that i heard this from a friend of mine so dont criticise me

Joeiss · 11-01-2003, 11:01 AM

I heard that the bum in the subway in Reloaded was also "the one" back in the day.. You know, they guy who was saying numbers or something.

And there is a bunch of philosophy/reference to Christianity in the Matrix. We are actually studying all of that in Philosophy class right now!

Blackmane · 11-01-2003, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

I heard that the bum in the subway in Reloaded was also "the one" back in the day.. You know, they guy who was saying numbers or something.

And there is a bunch of philosophy/reference to Christianity in the Matrix. We are actually studying all of that in Philosophy class right now!

Where do you see that bum? I don't remember him in Reloaded.

However, what about that guy that you see being taken away from the Merovingian before Neo and them talk to him? It seems like he should have some importance.

Dark Samurai · 11-01-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackmane

Where do you see that bum? I don't remember him in Reloaded.

However, what about that guy that you see being taken away from the Merovingian before Neo and them talk to him? It seems like he should have some importance.

thats the bum being escorted out

DimHalo · 11-01-2003, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

And there is a bunch of philosophy/reference to Christianity in the Matrix. We are actually studying all of that in Philosophy class right now!

I had a feeling there were some major references to Christianity but was not sure how intentional it was. Of course, since the makers are masterminds of this stuff I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be.

Mechadragon · 11-01-2003, 02:56 PM

The bum was also in the subway in Enter the Matrix.

Joeiss · 11-01-2003, 03:03 PM

Was that the same guy though? Because I don't think it is possible because Agent Smith took over that bum's body in the first one....

And I think the bum was also in the videogame.

jeepnut · 11-01-2003, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

Was that the same guy though? Because I don't think it is possible because Agent Smith took over that bum's body in the first one....

And I think the bum was also in the videogame.

Enter the Matrix is the video game.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 11-01-2003, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

Was that the same guy though? Because I don't think it is possible because Agent Smith took over that bum's body in the first one....

And I think the bum was also in the videogame.

it wasn't, i'm 100% sure of that....well they might have used different actors, but it isn't the bum in the subway from the original. As for his role in enter the matrix, he actually comes and talks with either ghost or niobe and tells them that this will be the sixth time this happens..and when they ask who he is, he says "just a spectator"