Poll : Nokia N-Gage

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Morpheus1

-None of you, from what I have heard, have played it, and if you have you haven't said it. You are blindly bashing it.

Neither have you. And it could easily be argued that your praise for the N-Gage is even blinder than our bashing. After all, you are seemingly only concerned with the graphics. At least others among us are looking at reviews for the games which say that the gameplay isn't all that great. And after all, it's the gameplay that counts.

Unless you're a graphics whore, that is.

And by the way, you don't even seem to care about how inconvenient it is to change games on the N-Gage. That's rather important, you know.

-The games look better that GBA's imo. By "look better" I am refering to the graphics and how the graphics may effect the gameplay. THPS for example, one of my favorite series, looks better and more playable on N-Gage than GBA.

Just out of curiosity, you're basing this off movies and not screenshots, right? I'm not attacking you here. I'm just making sure.

[BigJustinW]

*walks in*

Originally Posted by Xantar

Neither have you. And it could easily be argued that your praise for the N-Gage is even blinder than our bashing.

You consider what he is doing praising? Calling it crap? Interesting.

Or are you saying that by him saying that it appeals to him as much as GB (which he also called crap mind you) he is praising it?

and you call my logic messed up

*returns to Zion woth morpheus and Neo*

[Xantar]

Back-handed praise is still praise in my book. Now go away and stay there.

[Hero2]

Originally Posted by Morpheus1

More power to ya. You can play your games that were ported to N-Gage on Psx, and I can play my games that were ported to GBA on NES and SNES.



-EdIt-

Just so you, and everybody else, doesn't get the wrong idea, I don't think N-Gage or GBA is quality. I think they are both Rip-offs, and I don't ever plan on buying either of them. I simply stated two things:

-None of you, from what I have heard, have played it, and if you have you haven't said it. You are blindly bashing it.
-The games look better that GBA's imo. By "look better" I am refering to the graphics and how the graphics may effect the gameplay. THPS for example, one of my favorite series, looks better and more playable on N-Gage than GBA.

you missed the point all the games that i have seen for the ngage have been crappy old playstaoin games ie tony hawk 4 and I cant remember the other crap vs the selcetion of games that are on gameboy
and i have played the ngage it sux big too many buttons too little space
so you may hate both but the gameboy isnt that bad compared to the ngage

[TheGame]

*emergency broadcast hop into the gametrix*

Originally Posted by Xantar

Back-handed praise is still praise in my book. Now go away and stay there.

you are unlucky that I'm bored ()... Explain what back-handed praise is.

If I say NFL 2k3 is crap, and I say Mario Kart is crap, but then I say NFL 2k3 is more appealing to me because it looks better, I'm back-handedly praising NFL 2k3 even though I hate the game?



I think what most have done in this thread (including morpheus) is openly bash the N-Gage, and praise the GBA... and you pick on the one guy who finds them both to be crap and who finds the Gage to be more appealing crap then GBA?



So it's better to show open hate for N-Gage then "back-handed praise" (whatever the hell that means) for it?





Even worse, you keep repeating that gameplay is all that matters, and you are basing your distaste for it off of reviews. The same reviews that this guy has probably already read. You are telling me that not once in your life you have been interested in a game dispite what reviews it got?



Did you ever take into consideration that he could have been swayed by more than the graphics to say it is more appealing then GBA for him? I mean, he did say "If it wasn't for the price it would be no worse than GBA" which in a way could be taken as him saying GBA is better at it's current price? I mean, N-Gage also has a Cell Phone and MP3 player built in, which to a non-gamer would make it more appealing in the first place.



This is the fact here, he said "all handheld games suck, N-Gage and GBA are no exceptions"

He clearly said N-Gage and GBA "suck". How you you came to the conclusion that he was praising N-Gage is still beyond reason. The way I see it, you are obviously trying to protect GBA here. You didn't get angry with him for saying they are crap, you got mad at him because he said it's better than GBA.

Unless you have a good reason for saying that he was praising N-Gage... then you completly destroy my arguement. So lets hear it. Tell me how on earth this man is praising the Gage, and why it's any worse or more blind than what anybody else said in this thread.

*taps foot*

Oh, and morpheus, take his posts as an attack. Anybody who calls you a graphics whore that many times is obviously trying to attack you. Also, sorry for probably putting words in your mouth, I don't know exactly where you are coming from, all I know is X-Man is getting on your case for much less than other people are doing in this thread.

*runs to hard line*

[Ace195]

Originally Posted by Morpheus1

More power to ya. You can play your games that were ported to N-Gage on Psx, and I can play my games that were ported to GBA on NES and SNES.

It does actually look just like a normal phone that you could buy I mean the newer phones it looks like a two way (pager) a cell phone and a MP3 player witha built in game system.. If you buying this for a gaming consol then I must find you and kick you in the shin but if you travel alot and you want to be able to conserve space and play old games then it's a good buy..

Originally Posted by TheGame

Even worse, you keep repeating that gameplay is all that matters

I agree with TheGame,It's a CELL phone not maily a gaming console It's maily meant to be talked on and maybe the mp3's look at the marketing campaign.

[Xantar]

Contrary to what Justin might think, I do understand Morpeus1's point. He doesn't like handhelds. I see that. And yet, he thinks the N-Gage games are more appealing. Saying that something sucks but is in some way better than the rest is a back-handed compliment, by the way.

What I am questioning (fine, you can call it attacking if you want) is Morpheus1's basis for saying that the N-Gage games are more appealing to him than the GBA's. He says so right here:

Originally Posted by Morpheus1

To be honest with you, even with the bad scores some games on N-Gage look more interesting then games on GBA.

He might think N-Gage and GBA games suck, but apparently N-Gage games suck less.

Or have I got it all wrong? I'll happily stand corrected if that isn't what Morpheus1 is saying. But as far as I can tell, Morpheus1 doesn't like handhelds but still thinks N-Gage games are more interesting to him just because of the graphics. Maybe he has other reasons, but in multiple posts, he hasn't named them. If he thinks N-Gage games are more appealing because he thinks the gameplay possibilities offered by the N-Gage are better than those offered by the GBA, then fine. I respect that. If he just likes Tomb Raider better than Mario, then I respect that too. But once again, he hasn't given any indication that his preference is based on anything other than graphics.

And by the way, Morpheus1 is free to contradict review scores if he wants to. But if he hasn't played the actual games, I don't think he's in a position to disagree with reviewers who have.

So go ahead, Morpheus1. Name some reason other than graphics that you think N-Gage games, despite sucking, are more interesting to you than GBA games. That's all I've been wanting you to do because contrary to what it may seem like, I don't want you to be labeled a graphics whore. I am hoping graphics isn't the only reason you have. Maybe you also like Bluetooth. The moment you come up with something is the moment I get off your case and we all can have a productive conversation again.

[Morpheus1]

:eek:

Xantar, how is it your right to say that I am a graphics whore just because I find N-Gage to be more appealing to me than GBA? I said that if it wasn't for the price it would be no worse than GBA as an overall product not just as a game system. I also used THPS as an example of how the graphics can affect the gameplay. So what is your point? As far as I know you have none.

I don't have to be a graphics whore to pick a game with better graphics over the same game with worse graphics, no matter what score it got. For example, THPS1 on Dreamcast got a better score than THPS4 on Xbox, does it make me a graphics whore to go out and pick it up over THPS1? No.

At IGN Sonic Adventure got an 8.6 from IGN, and Sonic Adventure 2 got a 9.4 on Dreamcast. On Gamecube the same games with more features got a 5.0 and 6.9. Would that make me a graphics whore to pick up the Gamecube version of the game over the Dreamcast version? Hell no. So why should I trust reviews of any games that were ported?

I own a GBA and I know it sucks, and I know that it was a waste of money. I don't trust reviews, and from videos, screenshots, and previews I have read, I find N-Gage's games and the hardware itself to be more appealing. Why does that bother you so much? I look at THPS and I see a game that looks more appealing then anything I have played on GBA. Based off of graphics? Yes.

You compare.

GBA:

N-Gage:

Ps2 (one of my fav games)


This by far is the most tempting handheld game I have ever seen, but I'm a graphics whore because it looks like it plays better (more like the full version)? You have issues man

[Canyarion]

I just want to say that I'm with Xantar.
Controls and stuff are more important that graphics in my opinion....

[Morpheus1]

Originally Posted by Canyarion

I just want to say that I'm with Xantar.
Controls and stuff are more important that graphics in my opinion....

I never said it wasn't as important. As you can see in my THPS pics, graphics can effect the gameplay and the way the whole game is played. I like good controls, but my definition of good controls could be way different from someone else's, that's why that is just an opinion that can't be enforced on everybody.

For example, PC players prefer the superior control of a keyboard and mouse for a FPS, while console players generally prefer a controler. Some Xbox fans would argue that Xbox has the best controler, some would argue that Gamecube has ther best, and some would argue that Ps2 has the best. If I would have listened to reviewers I wouldn't have touched Xbox with a 10 foot pole, but guess what? Right now I own all three (NGC, Ps2, Xbox) and Xbox is by far my favorite of the bunch.

[Jonbo298]

*about Morpheus' Pics*

hmm...3 year old handheld vs. a few weeks old handheld.

You can't really compare graphics there. It's obvious the GBA can't pull a full regular 3D game (for the most part). It's like comparing the DC to the XBox.

For me, as long as gameplay is good, I will buy a game. I mean, look at Animal Crossing. Bad grapchis, but great gameplay.

But I don't want to throw this too far off topic. So I will get back to the original subject. If Nokia would've taken more time to make a better layout, this might've been a competitor. But since Nokia has made a few mistakes already with the N-Gage (bad layout, bad way to switch games, bad pricing), I just don't see this as a handheld. I see it as a cell phone with a few "snazzy features".

[Xantar]

Aha, now I get it. You're saying that the greater power of the N-Gage will allow better gameplay in the games (for example, Tony Hawk will actually be 3-d instead of isometric).

If you said this before and I simply missed it, then I apologize. It seems to me that I was not the only one to misunderstand, but let bygones be bygones. In any case, now that you've cleared that up, I have no issue with you.

Carry on.