Big Fat Liar: Debunking Michael Moore

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Wow. I don't agree with what you guys are saying, okay? I'm not WILLFULLY BLIND and I did inform myself by reading those sites. But becasue I disagree with you ,you'll probably call me stupid. And you guys have a problem with political srguments. I'm willing to see things from other points of view. But you (The Strangler and possibly Xantar) will just yell at me for saying what I believe which is mainly why i didn't argue with you. I didn't want another huge fight. But I don't agree with everything that you're saying. Now, I have read the info on the sites and have re-evaluated my beliefs and though what you say makes sense but I still don't agree with you. You can yell at me and throw your "facts" at me but I still won't care. Just like you won't be persuaded to see things from my POV i haven't been swayed to see things from yours. People of your political party spout lies and bull**** just like you say Michael Moore does. No matter what political party someone is in, some people will think they're full of ****. That is the problem about arguing about politics.

So right from the beginning, you decided to not outline your position and just tell us that lots of people spout bull**** (and by implication, Michael Moore's yellow journalism is okay)?

Look, I don't know if you realize it, but gun control is beside the point in this debate. We're talking about Michael Moore, not guns. The Strangler has already said that he sees some validity in Michael Moore's argument but that nonetheless he wants an argument grounded in reality.

So if you think you disagree with me on whether guns should be banned or whether there should be tougher laws, don't. Unless you've seen my posts from a few years ago, you don't even know what my position on gun control. But I'll tell you right now that I don't exactly share The Strangler's position on gun control. And moreover, we most certainly don't belong to the same party as you seem to imply.

So what is it you disagree with us about? Do you disagree about whether Michael Moore is lying? Or do you disagree about whether it's acceptable?

What exactly do you believe?

I'm looking back through your posts, and all I see is you continually repeating, more or less, that everyone lies. You never attempt to, for example, refute The Strangler's argument that Michael Moore shouldn't be trusted. In other words, all you've been doing is evading the issue. And that is why I accused you of being willfully blind. I can't think of another reason you would refuse so consistently to just debate with The Strangler about what he's actually talking about.

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Xantar

So right from the beginning, you decided to not outline your position and just tell us that lots of people spout bull**** (and by implication, Michael Moore's yellow journalism is okay)?

Look, I don't know if you realize it, but gun control is beside the point in this debate. We're talking about Michael Moore, not guns. The Strangler has already said that he sees some validity in Michael Moore's argument but that nonetheless he wants an argument grounded in reality.

So if you think you disagree with me on whether guns should be banned or whether there should be tougher laws, don't. Unless you've seen my posts from a few years ago, you don't even know what my position on gun control. But I'll tell you right now that I don't exactly share The Strangler's position on gun control. And moreover, we most certainly don't belong to the same party as you seem to imply.

So what is it you disagree with us about? Do you disagree about whether Michael Moore is lying? Or do you disagree about whether it's acceptable?

What exactly do you believe?

I'm looking back through your posts, and all I see is you continually repeating, more or less, that everyone lies. You never attempt to, for example, refute The Strangler's argument that Michael Moore shouldn't be trusted. In other words, all you've been doing is evading the issue. And that is why I accused you of being willfully blind. I can't think of another reason you would refuse so consistently to just debate with The Strangler about what he's actually talking about.

Post another retort and it'll be your 5000th post.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Post another retort and it'll be your 5000th post.

LOL!! Talk about evasiveness and being willfully blind. Are you trying to prove Xantar's points?

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

LOL!! Talk about evasiveness and being willfully blind.

Talk about how you should eat my ass.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Talk about how you should eat my ass.

Consider yourself broken.

*puts another notch in his war club*

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Consider yourself broken.

*puts another notch in his war club*

Damn. I have been defeated. You took me down a few pegs.

[The Duggler]

Wow Strangler, you broke a 17 years old on a video game forum. You're so cool.

BTW, what are you waiting to post this on the other board I told you about?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Ranzid

Wow Strangler, you broke a 17 years old on a video game forum. You're so cool.

BTW, what are you waiting to post this on the other board I told you about?

Hey, breaking 17 year olds is one of my fanorite past times. I'm thinking about going pro next year.

I addressed the other website in an earlier post. I registered but haven't received my confirmation yet (as of midnight last night) and the site won't let me log on without it. Does it usually take this long?

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

You know whats funny? What's NOT being taught in school. A lot of American schools are very selective about what they teach.

I was talking to GameMaster and his school isn't telling them a lot of things they should be telling them. Like how the French aiding the Americans during the American Revolution. And he wasn't taught about Russia's role in World War 2. He was also taught that the Natives were savages.

omfg... you would post that, wouldn't you?

First of all, realize that your source is GAMEMASTER.

I'm also an American, and I also took US History, but I actually remember ****!

The French aided the Americans in the American Revolution, if not for the French, we never would have gained freedom. The French allied us because they had quite a thing against the Imperial British.

The Russians... they lost masses of soldiers and civilians in both WWI and WWII. In WWII, they signed a peace contract with Hitler at the beginning of the war (and no, I don't want to remember it's name). Later, Hitler made the big mistake of invading Russia during its winter. Tough luck, Hitler.

We were taught that natives were savages as infants by freakin' cowboy movies, not by school. In US History, I was educated not by a movie, but by a textbook, that the Natives were honorable yet were pushed west countless times. Then there was the trail of tears with Andrew Jackson...


Next time you want to learn about the American Education system, ask a person who listened in class... not a random (well, that works against me) guy in a gaming forum.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

Hm. Give Moore some credit. He does raise a lot of great points whether or not you agree with what he does.

But don't polititians lie to push their agenda?
It's not like Michael Moore is the only one to do this (if in fact he is doing it)

And just because he has a nice house doesn't mean he's a monster of some kind.

But in closure, if he is lying to push an agenda, he's not the only one. the American government does it. The Canadian government does too. It's not uncommon. It's not like he's some sort of innovator in the field of lying to the masses.

I don't get it, are you trying to insult the American Government, or are you trying to support Michael Moore? By your arguement, it's impossible to do both!

Pushing an agenda is a terrible thing... it's performed by the media in some occassions and often by political figureheads (including Moore). People want to influence the wolrd in whatever way they can. It's never the right way.. which is terrible, but that's what happens. All we can do is try to point out the wrongs that are done, as Strangler is attempting to do, in a gaming forum.

I don't respect Moore, as I don't respect anyone who covers the public with a shroud of lies to push their opinions and their reputation. By getting your attention and admiriation, Dylflon,people like Moore can find a way to succeed.

P.S. Excuse me for double posting, and also for picking on Dylflon. However, I feel that he could improve his evalutations... and there's a possibility that he can make his decisions much more "developed" ¦¬Þ

[Professor S]

Thank you Random. Its good to see a democrat and possible liberal (if I remember correctly) with a good head on his shoulders. I can't stand Michael Moore, just as I can't really stand Rush Limbaugh. They both can make sense at times, but all that gets lost in their constant exagerrated ramblings, half truths and outright lies.

And yes, I posted all this in a gaming forum. I apologize but I think that gamers can think about more than just video games every once in a while. Obviously you do too, since you did read this thread in the Off Topic Forum

I actually think a gaming forum is a great place to post something like this. Its filled with impressionable teenagers who can be too trusting many times, especially when it comes to people who preach such sexy topics as conspiracy theories like Moore. The youth are our future and if they learn to trust hate mongerers (yes, HATE) such as Moore, we are all in trouble.

[Rndm_Perfection]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Thank you Random. Its good to see a democrat and possible liberal (if I remember correctly) with a good head on his shoulders.

Heheh... last time I checked, I was a conservative republican.

*plays song with lyrics: "We work hard for our Money"*

[Professor S]

Then who the hell am I thinking of? Jeez, my memory is starting to slip in my old age

[Xantar]

Well, some of Random_Perfection's posts sound liberal, I suppose. But I don't believe he ever identified his party affiliation.

Doesn't matter. It seems to me that he has a healthy amount of skepticism about anything he hears, and that is a good thing.

By the way, I'm a liberal, but I'm most definitely not a Democrat. I'm independent.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Xantar

Well, some of Random_Perfection's posts sound liberal, I suppose. But I don't believe he ever identified his party affiliation.

Doesn't matter. It seems to me that he has a healthy amount of skepticism about anything he hears, and that is a good thing.

By the way, I'm a liberal, but I'm most definitely not a Democrat. I'm independent.

Being liberal isn't necessarily a bad thing, even though the most vocale liberals have made it that way (ex. Moore and Al Franken). I should replace it in my posts with "knee jerk scaremongering hate machine left wing democratic ventriloquist puppets", but thats just too long even if its more accurate.

I'm an independent also. I think party line voting defeats the purpose of free elections. I'm a bit of a skeptic myself, but my skepticism has made me lean much more the the right than the left. Researching the details of a Bill Clinton presidency will do that to a man, and I actually voted for him in 96.