Big Fat Liar: Debunking Michael Moore

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Xantar

It's not lying "once in a while." Take a look at that website. Not very much in Bowling for Columbine is very trustworthy. In fact, you can't really take it as a documentary of anything except perhaps Michael Moore's ego.

And it does matter if he lies. A documentary is supposed to be true. The fact that it's called a documentary means that people use it as evidence.

What if Tom Brokaw were to get on NBC Nightly News one day and knowingly report a completely false or misleading story? Would you just shrug and say, "Oh well. Everybody lies once in a while"?

A lot of newscasters are lying. Well...not by choice. But mainly they're just leaving things out. You watched the war in Iraq on American TV and they showed soldiers giving food and securing oil fields. But if you see and Al Jazheera news cast (as i did) you'd see American soldiers shooting families who didn't cooperate. I'm not saying that the American military is evil i'm just saying that this is hiw it played out and nobody in America really knew. I'm sure the media leaves things out from time to time. Do you think they're really going to show things on the news that makes your country look bad?

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

A lot of newscasters are lying. Well...not by choice. But mainly they're just leaving things out. You watched the war in Iraq on American TV and they showed soldiers giving food and securing oil fields. But if you see and Al Jazheera news cast (as i did) you'd see American soldiers shooting families who didn't cooperate. I'm not saying that the American military is evil i'm just saying that this is hiw it played out and nobody in America really knew. I'm sure the media leaves things out from time to time. Do you think they're really going to show things on the news that makes your country look bad?

Have you been looking at those websites at all? Yes, newscasters leave things out. But Michael Moore did a lot more than leave a few facts out. Many of the scenes in his documentaries are actually staged. Are you going to start arguing to me that newscasters stage their interviews?

Or how about this one: at one point, Michael Moore showed a speech by Charlton Heston. If you look closely at the footage, you'll notice that his shirt suddenly changes color partway through the speech. Why's that? Because Michael Moore took parts of two speeches that were delivered several months apart and spliced them together, thus making it look like Charlton Heston had said something he never actually did. Go ahead. Look at the video yourself. Are you now going to argue that deceptively splicing footage together is no worse than leaving out a few facts in your reporting? As you said, newscasters are lying "not by choice." So are you going to tell me that Michael Moore kind of accidentally spliced together footage to create a non-existent speech that just happens to help his argument?

[Dylflon]

Originally Posted by Xantar

Have you been looking at those websites at all? Yes, newscasters leave things out. But Michael Moore did a lot more than leave a few facts out. Many of the scenes in his documentaries are actually staged. Are you going to start arguing to me that newscasters stage their interviews?

Or how about this one: at one point, Michael Moore showed a speech by Charlton Heston. If you look closely at the footage, you'll notice that his shirt suddenly changes color partway through the speech. Why's that? Because Michael Moore took parts of two speeches that were delivered several months apart and spliced them together, thus making it look like Charlton Heston had said something he never actually did. Go ahead. Look at the video yourself. Are you now going to argue that deceptively splicing footage together is no worse than leaving out a few facts in your reporting? As you said, newscasters are lying "not by choice." So are you going to tell me that Michael Moore kind of accidentally spliced together footage to create a non-existent speech that just happens to help his argument?

The problme with arguing about things like these is that not everyone will ever agree. We could argue forever. I think Micheal's Bowling for Columbine was a great movie. I did learn a lot about gun control in America. I'm not saying that changing facts is right but he did present quite a few disturbing facts. I was amazed at the number of gun murders in America.

And I really liked the parts about Canada.

[Happydude]

ok...i have no clue what the f*ck all this is talking about, who the hell is micheal moore and wtf is going on?!

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

The problme with arguing about things like these is that not everyone will ever agree. We could argue forever. I think Micheal's Bowling for Columbine was a great movie. I did learn a lot about gun control in America. I'm not saying that changing facts is right but he did present quite a few disturbing facts. I was amazed at the number of gun murders in America.

And I really liked the parts about Canada.

*sigh*

Never mind. You're not even talking about what you were talking about in your first post. In these cases, I would call you just plain willfully blind. But never mind that. I agree that we're not going to get anywhere with this, but it's not because we have mutually incompatible opinions. You're not even informing yourself on the issue.

For example, did you know that some of the Canada sections from Bowling for Columbine were staged?

But I suppose you'll just avoid the issue and go off to talk about something we weren't even talking about before.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

The problme with arguing about things like these is that not everyone will ever agree. We could argue forever. I think Micheal's Bowling for Columbine was a great movie. I did learn a lot about gun control in America. I'm not saying that changing facts is right but he did present quite a few disturbing facts. I was amazed at the number of gun murders in America.

And I really liked the parts about Canada.

So you learned a lot from facts that have been changed...


...

*brain explodes*

[Happydude]

*clears throat*

anyone mind answering me please?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by happydude666

*clears throat*

anyone mind answering me please?

Michael Moore is a reknowned filmmaker who claims to be a documentarian, and even won the oscar for Best Documentary at last years Academy Awards for Bowling for Columbine. His other works were Canadian Bacon, Roger and Me and the short lived Bravo series "The Awful Truth". He holds a lot of sway with the left wing and has been acclaimed as a modern day muck raking journalist who exposes corporate and right wing conspiracies and "evil".

The sad truth is that he is a propoganda artist of the highest degree. He has lied in his works, staged events that he claims were non-fiction, and creatively edits what he does film to suit his agenda. He then has the audacity to proclaim in his Oscar acceptance speech that he is a teller of truth in "ficticious times." If these are ficticious times, he is a huge part of that fiction.

If you want the real deal on his work and just how manipulating he can be, rent his movie Bowling for Columbine... fully absorb it... and then thoroughly read bowlingfortruth.com hitting every link you can find. You won't have to take my word for it if you do.

RANZID: I registered over at Rajah, and I still haven't received my confirmation e-mail so I can get started teaching your friends the path of sober thinking. Any idea whats going on?

[Bond]

I watched the "A Brief History of America" clip, LOL. Moore's "brief history" on the KKK is so off it's ridiculous.

Marilyn Manson was right on the fact though that the media trys to make you afraid.

[Happydude]

thank you...i still only partially get it, but i don't care anymore, its not that important

+rep anyway