Big Fat Liar: Debunking Michael Moore

DeathsHand · 10-08-2003, 11:34 PM

someone says something about one person, then the other person says the same thing back...

1: You're lying!
2: No, YOU'RE lying!
1: YOU'RE lying and I can prove it! *proof*
2: That proof is just bullpooey and you're lying and I can prove it! *proof*
1: THAT INFORMATION IS FALSE YOU LYING BASTARD!
2: ALL LIES!!
Both: I'LL CUT YOU!!!

And that, my friend's is the world of politics...

Seth · 10-08-2003, 11:59 PM

"From my cold dead hands!"

Bowling for Columbine made me laugh through parts of it.

The crazy soy farmer with the magnum under his pillow. ahhh,

but ya, some of it's bull****.

Jonbo298 · 10-09-2003, 12:02 AM

I really like Michael Moore. It's always good to me to see someone who is outspoken and not afraid of politicians or the media.

I wish I could do something similar to Michael Moore in the future. I like being outspoken and not afraid of anyone.

But opinions/facts/lies about Michael Moore don't affect me. As long as he is outspoken, thats a + for me

Professor S · 10-09-2003, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

I really like Michael Moore. It's always good to me to see someone who is outspoken and not afraid of politicians or the media.

I wish I could do something similar to Michael Moore in the future. I like being outspoken and not afraid of anyone.

But opinions/facts/lies about Michael Moore don't affect me. As long as he is outspoken, thats a + for me

So as long as you're outspoken it doesn't matter what you say? He can just lie all he wants and it doesn't matter? Or is it as long as he's lying in favor of your ideals?

Dylflon · 10-09-2003, 12:20 AM

You know whats funny? What's NOT being taught in school. A lot of American schools are very selective about what they teach.

I was talking to GameMaster and his school isn't telling them a lot of things they should be telling them. Like how the French aiding the Americans during the American Revolution. And he wasn't taught about Russia's role in World War 2. He was also taught that the Natives were savages.

Rndm_Perfection · 10-10-2003, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

You know whats funny? What's NOT being taught in school. A lot of American schools are very selective about what they teach.

I was talking to GameMaster and his school isn't telling them a lot of things they should be telling them. Like how the French aiding the Americans during the American Revolution. And he wasn't taught about Russia's role in World War 2. He was also taught that the Natives were savages.

omfg... you would post that, wouldn't you?

First of all, realize that your source is GAMEMASTER.

I'm also an American, and I also took US History, but I actually remember ****!

The French aided the Americans in the American Revolution, if not for the French, we never would have gained freedom. The French allied us because they had quite a thing against the Imperial British.

The Russians... they lost masses of soldiers and civilians in both WWI and WWII. In WWII, they signed a peace contract with Hitler at the beginning of the war (and no, I don't want to remember it's name). Later, Hitler made the big mistake of invading Russia during its winter. Tough luck, Hitler.

We were taught that natives were savages as infants by freakin' cowboy movies, not by school. In US History, I was educated not by a movie, but by a textbook, that the Natives were honorable yet were pushed west countless times. Then there was the trail of tears with Andrew Jackson...

Next time you want to learn about the American Education system, ask a person who listened in class... not a random (well, that works against me) guy in a gaming forum.

Jonbo298 · 10-09-2003, 12:22 AM

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So as long as you're outspoken it doesn't matter what you say? He can just lie all he wants and it doesn't matter? Or is it as long as he's lying in favor of your ideals?

Jeez, I was never stating that if your outspoken and you only tell lies that I like the person. I was stating that Michael Moore's views are what I go for/believe in. So what if he lie's once in awhile. EVERYONE DOES.

You can bash Michael Moore all you want but it doesn't affect me. People lie all the time. People have their own views. Oh well.

Xantar · 10-09-2003, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonbo298

Jeez, I was never stating that if your outspoken and you only tell lies that I like the person. I was stating that Michael Moore's views are what I go for/believe in. So what if he lie's once in awhile. EVERYONE DOES.

It's not lying "once in a while." Take a look at that website. Not very much in Bowling for Columbine is very trustworthy. In fact, you can't really take it as a documentary of anything except perhaps Michael Moore's ego.

And it does matter if he lies. A documentary is supposed to be true. The fact that it's called a documentary means that people use it as evidence.

What if Tom Brokaw were to get on NBC Nightly News one day and knowingly report a completely false or misleading story? Would you just shrug and say, "Oh well. Everybody lies once in a while"?

Dylflon · 10-09-2003, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Xantar

It's not lying "once in a while." Take a look at that website. Not very much in Bowling for Columbine is very trustworthy. In fact, you can't really take it as a documentary of anything except perhaps Michael Moore's ego.

And it does matter if he lies. A documentary is supposed to be true. The fact that it's called a documentary means that people use it as evidence.

What if Tom Brokaw were to get on NBC Nightly News one day and knowingly report a completely false or misleading story? Would you just shrug and say, "Oh well. Everybody lies once in a while"?

A lot of newscasters are lying. Well...not by choice. But mainly they're just leaving things out. You watched the war in Iraq on American TV and they showed soldiers giving food and securing oil fields. But if you see and Al Jazheera news cast (as i did) you'd see American soldiers shooting families who didn't cooperate. I'm not saying that the American military is evil i'm just saying that this is hiw it played out and nobody in America really knew. I'm sure the media leaves things out from time to time. Do you think they're really going to show things on the news that makes your country look bad?

Xantar · 10-09-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

A lot of newscasters are lying. Well...not by choice. But mainly they're just leaving things out. You watched the war in Iraq on American TV and they showed soldiers giving food and securing oil fields. But if you see and Al Jazheera news cast (as i did) you'd see American soldiers shooting families who didn't cooperate. I'm not saying that the American military is evil i'm just saying that this is hiw it played out and nobody in America really knew. I'm sure the media leaves things out from time to time. Do you think they're really going to show things on the news that makes your country look bad?

Have you been looking at those websites at all? Yes, newscasters leave things out. But Michael Moore did a lot more than leave a few facts out. Many of the scenes in his documentaries are actually staged. Are you going to start arguing to me that newscasters stage their interviews?

Or how about this one: at one point, Michael Moore showed a speech by Charlton Heston. If you look closely at the footage, you'll notice that his shirt suddenly changes color partway through the speech. Why's that? Because Michael Moore took parts of two speeches that were delivered several months apart and spliced them together, thus making it look like Charlton Heston had said something he never actually did. Go ahead. Look at the video yourself. Are you now going to argue that deceptively splicing footage together is no worse than leaving out a few facts in your reporting? As you said, newscasters are lying "not by choice." So are you going to tell me that Michael Moore kind of accidentally spliced together footage to create a non-existent speech that just happens to help his argument?

Professor S · 10-09-2003, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathsHand

someone says something about one person, then the other person says the same thing back...

1: You're lying!
2: No, YOU'RE lying!
1: YOU'RE lying and I can prove it! *proof*
2: That proof is just bullpooey and you're lying and I can prove it! *proof*
1: THAT INFORMATION IS FALSE YOU LYING BASTARD!
2: ALL LIES!!
Both: I'LL CUT YOU!!!

And that, my friend's is the world of politics...

And your point would be we should just accept it? We should just sitr by while we are manipulated and fed bull**** like its a T-Bone steak? I'm afraid I'm not that quite cynical yet.

And bouncer, how can you tell what was bull**** and what wasn't? He made a documentary. A potrayal of the TRUTH. And he lied throughout. How are we expected to discern what is fact and what is fiction? We can't, and that his entire piece invalid.