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[Vampyr]

Good Lord. This brings back memories from the "Whats your Religon Thread".

Actually, I think its begun all over again.

[The Duggler]

Originally Posted by TheGame

You base your beliefs off of what "we" have discoverd to this point? *chuckles* Care to give some examples?

As for jumping to conclusions... I think you may be the one jumping to them. How do you know for a fact that "explaining the inexplicable" is the 'reason' man believes in God? Have you ever taken into account that religious figureheads may be real people and *gasp* the book speaks of the truth about them?

None of us lived in that time, thus none of us can prove anything that happend at that time without reading into it... Correct? So when you say "I base my beliefs in what we know and discoverd to this point" who are you talking about when you say 'we'?

The fact is, there is no 'we' there is only you and yorself. You are chosing to believe what you read in a history book, and what you see on TV, but the fact is everything that you haven't lived with or experienced for yourself could be completly bogus.

Like in my last arguement, all the infinitys in life can't be proved... but you labeled it as "proven". There is no proof, that's just like me listing God as proven. Some say the universe goes out forever, but how do we know? Most of us haven't been off the planet, let alone outside of the solar system... how do you know it's not just one big scam? Simple, you don't until you see/do it for yourself.

Back to the point, you are chosing to believe in somthing that may or may not be true, just like any religious person on the planet. You have faith in history and science books, and you believe in infinity, somthing that defanently can't be proven.

So, I ask you again, what do you base your beliefs off of?

*taps foot*

Ok, I'll tell you... you base them off of what you want to believe, not what you know, just like everybody else. You will claim it's what you "know" just like a religious person will claim it's what they "know" but neither have anything to back themselves up except by personal experience. Infinity never has been, nor will ever be a proven concept because nobody can experience infintity.

You live your own life, and you believe what you want to believe... Science is just as bad and even worse than Religion when it comes to faith... and it has no moralities involved.

Some people will never read the bible (or any religious scripture) and accept it as truth, like they would read a history book or somthing of that nature and accept it. If you didn't see it for yourself, just like you didn't see the events in the bible for yourself, that doesn't mean it isn't true. Just because somthing is in the history book it doesn't automatically classify as true, same goes for anything anybody has said or claimed to have done that you haven't done for yourself or seen for yourself.

Maybe you can go to outer space one day and prove the world is round

Ok I understand your point, but what you are saying in that post, is that we are both at the same point. We don't know nothing for sure, and I'm fine with that, but if you present me both choices, both theories (god or science) I choose science.

No we (I'm talking about the human race) haven't discovered everything, we might haven't discovered anything, like you said, but you can't deny the progress we have made. Like understanding how lightning is formed and therefore disprouving an old belief of a god trowing it from the sky.

[nWoCHRISnWo]

*Enters THIS argument again.* I voted no god because I believe it's much more likely that we just haven't figured out what created us all than all the theories out there right now. How old is the bible supposed to be? Pretty damn old, no? Back then they though Earth was flat and was in the center of the universe. I highly doubt they'd be right about god.

[Crono]

I don't believe in God, but I also don't think people should take the bible literally. For many years, the events of that time were passed around by word of mouth. A lot of these stories could've changed drastically throughout time. Like Jesus healing someone just by touching them? I don't believe it, but I'm not denying that a man named Jesus did help people. My belief is that it wasn't instantly, but he helped them in other ways.

The same thing applies with the ten plagues and such. Did you know that these plagues can in fact be caused by nature? If I have time (probably tomorrow night), I'll dig up some links. The same thing can apply to other supernatural events listed in the bible, such as the parting of that sea. There's a volcano in a southern Greek island (which is also one of Earth's most destructive volcano), and after it's errupts, it creates fractures in the earth, which actually allowed the water in the sea to split temporarily.

So my belief is that... don't take old books literally. You don't know how much the stories have changed over 2000 years.

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by nWoCHRISnWo

Back then they though Earth was flat and was in the center of the universe.

You really think so?