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The Germanator · 09-23-2003, 11:57 PM

I think that God spells Dog backwards and vice versa.

Rndm_Perfection · 09-24-2003, 08:59 AM

I like how, since I didn't vote, I can view results and therefor see every what every member voted for. ... Yaaay

mickydaniels · 09-24-2003, 11:57 AM

This here by John Locke just says it all. Especially the first six points.

Crono · 09-24-2003, 04:29 PM

Seems like there are way more believers than non believers, heh.

Rndm_Perfection · 09-24-2003, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mickydaniels

This here by John Locke just says it all. Especially the first six points.

Hmmm, I can't quite place my finger on it, but I find those points invalid. Particularly #3.

If a being cannot be created from "nothing", then there must obviously have been a being there to make it? That's so, so basic... and it creates paradoxes. The reasoning there is that humans can't just "be"... because we are humans, and we weren't just kind of here ("proven" at birth). Therefor, there must be something greater which made us. Case closed, right? Ahem... And what created that special something? Why would it be able to create itself while life has the inability to create itself? Why would the greater being create a life that "needs creations"? If it's impossible to understand something, how can you claim it is absolute?

Oh well, not my problem right now. I'm just going to "be".

Hero2 · 09-24-2003, 04:53 PM

I would like to clarify my stance on god ace got my password and voted for me, I wasnt going to vote. hes just pissed because I was making fun of him for his low rep. now i got a lot of bad rep for voting for no god and it wasnt me it was ace that voted that way... SO stop with all the negitive rep im down to 50

mickydaniels · 09-24-2003, 04:56 PM

I don't see what's so hard to imagine that there is something out there that just isn't perceptible to humans that is more powerful than us. The concept of infinity is known and understood in mathematics, but just can't exist in the case of a God?

Rndm_Perfection · 09-24-2003, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mickydaniels

I don't see what's so hard to imagine that there is something out there that just isn't perceptible to humans that is more powerful than us. The concept of infinity is known and understood in mathematics, but just can't exist in the case of a God?

Bad example, come up with something more reasonable and I may argue. Infinity is a word that defines a proven situation, God is a term used to describe a belief of the creation of life. Infinity = Proven, God = not.

Believe me when I say this though, while I may doubt the existance of God, I do believe it does exist slightly more than I believe it doesn't. The "concept" is EASY to understand. A child could understand that, as well as someone of even less intelligence.

TheGame · 09-25-2003, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Infinity = Proven, God = not.

Depends on your definition of proof... if you take the bible and read it like it's a history book, then it is proven recorded history, if you don't then you can't prove anything that has happend before your life span and that you haven't seen with your own eyes.

Some people "know" God is real just like people "know" George Washington was the first president... Neither of us can prove either thing w/o looking to other people's accounts. Even then, how many people walking the earth today got to see George Washington with thier own eyes, and had a conversation with him?

In a way there is no proof except in books that others wrote.

What do you accept as proof?

Mathematics is the only thing certain in this world, as is our very existance, anything and everything else we believe you chose to believe. Even more so for things that aren't documented history in our own lives.

It all depends on the person. If you want to approach the bible as some ficticious book when you read it, you won't believe it... not because it isn't true, it's because you don't believe it. Same goes for any other religious book... or any book for that matter.

mickydaniels · 09-25-2003, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

If a being cannot be created from "nothing", then there must obviously have been a being there to make it?

And what created that special something?

I don't see what's so different about God and infinity.
No beginning and no end, is attributed to both.
Do you need to know what created him to believe in him? Do you need to know when he was born, and his approximate lifespan?
A perfect example to me is like trying to measure the distance from east to west. It just never ends.

Numbers 3 and 4 seem to make the most sense to me.
Things just can't pop out of the air. They have to come from something. Like the old chicken and egg argument. Which came first? Why does it matter? How did it get there?

Maybe this doesn't make sense to you but it makes perfect sense to me.

The Duggler · 09-25-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mickydaniels

Numbers 3 and 4 seem to make the most sense to me.
Things just can't pop out of the air. They have to come from something. Like the old chicken and egg argument. Which came first? Why does it matter? How did it get there?

Maybe this doesn't make sense to you but it makes perfect sense to me.

Why can your god be infinite or have "popped out of the air" but the elements wich our universe is made of, can't?

mickydaniels · 09-25-2003, 12:19 PM

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Why can your god be infinite or have "popped out of the air" but the elements wich our universe is made of, can't?

Because we see when they end. The elements which our universe are finite because when can see how they start and know that they have an ending. If something has an ending, it has a beginning, right?

mickydaniels · 09-25-2003, 01:07 PM

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Why can your god be infinite or have "popped out of the air" but the elements wich our universe is made of, can't?

That's what I was responding to, and I obviously meant something different. I meant life. As in a being that is more powerful and has no beginning and end and is living.

No energy created or lost.
But, if you take the hydrogen atom and add a proton you get helium. Nothing lost, but it is changed. As in, it is not the same thing anymore.

A second thing is, we don't know what God looks like. I can never tell you what he is but I can tell you that he exists in some form. Who knows? He could very well be the universe itself. Who am I to say what he is? And that is most likely why many people don't believe. Because they want some concrete answer.
If you don't believe, you don't believe. Maybe somewhere down the road, you will maybe you won't.

He will only be perceived by those who seek Him with all their heart...