State of Israel

[Ginkasa]

.... Are you being serious or are you joking? The answer decides whether I think you were an idiot for posting that or not.


*shrugs and walks away*

[GameMaster]

I'm serious, people can't use unwitnessed/unrecorded events as testimony for ownership of a piece of land.

[Professor S]

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.

[GameMaster]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.

And who was granted authority to "give" land. I don't remember my parents voting for someone who would be responcible for giving and taking land from people.

[Ginkasa]

Originally Posted by GameMaster

And who was granted authority to "give" land. I don't remember my parents voting for someone who would be responcible for giving and taking land from people.

GOD!!! They both have "records" saying that God gave their people that land. Its in their scripture.

They believe the land's their's like they believe God made the universe.


*shurgs and walks away*

[GameMaster]

Wouldn't fighting over the land with one another (whom both believe God granted them it) be defying God's word by trying to take the land from someone else who says God gave it to them. Both parties are at fault as far as I'm concerned and both have rallied up enough bad sin to send the whole human race to the underworld.

[Ginkasa]

Each side believes that God didn't really give the other the land of course. That's why they're fighting. Whoever finally wins and gets the land will have had God on their side and prove that they were the true recipitents to the land.


*shrugs and walks away*

[GameMaster]

Originally Posted by Ginkasa

Each side believes that God didn't really give the other the land of course. That's why they're fighting. Whoever finally wins and gets the land will have had God on their side and prove that they were the true recipitents to the land.


*shrugs and walks away*

Call me an elephant if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that suggest that God advocates violence and is bias against certain cultures and races?

Who would want to believe in a God like that?

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Often times peoplke wonder why Israel is so quick to use force...

Well lets see... 3000 years of persecution is a start, then they passively stood by while the holocaust happened hoping for the best, then they are given Israel and people have been trying to kill them ever since.

I'd be pretty trigger happy too.
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Read the Koran, there are many references and passages advocating violence against infidels.

Persecution. Nobody hates someone else for no reason, you know. There's always a reason behind hatred.


Violence against infidels in the Koran. How about the Bible?
Deuteronomy 7:1-6

I haven't got time to spell it all out(classes are waiting), but it says the Jews(his chosen people) must utterly destroy the many nations around them and show no mercy. Break their altars, dash their pillars into pieces, and burn their images. If that's not violence against infidels, then I don't know what is.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

Persecution. Nobody hates someone else for no reason, you know. There's always a reason behind hatred.

Mickey, please keep your thinly... and I mean THINLY veiled anti-semitism off of these boards. I bet you're itching to tell me why the holocaust was justified.

Violence against infidels in the Koran. How about the Bible?
Deuteronomy 7:1-6

I haven't got time to spell it all out(classes are waiting), but it says the Jews(his chosen people) must utterly destroy the many nations around them and show no mercy. Break their altars, dash their pillars into pieces, and burn their images. If that's not violence against infidels, then I don't know what is.

If you are going to quote scripture, please QUOTE SCRIPTURE. I have no need of your version, especially from someone who thinks David Duke is a valid source of information.

[mickydaniels]

Anti-Semitism?
No. I'm not going to tell you why the Holocaust was justified because it wasn't. A man with an intense amount of hatred got into a position to do something about it. What I was reffering to was the death of God's Son, Jesus Christ.


Deuteronomy 7:1-6
When Jehovah thy God shall bring thee into the land wither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, the Girga****e, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou, and when Jehovah thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them: thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them; neither shalt thou make marriages with them, thy daughter thou shalt not giveunto his son , nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For he will turn thy son away from following me, that they may serve many other gods: so will the anger of Jehovah be kindled against you, and he will destroy thee quickly. But thus shall ye deal with them: ye shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire. For thou art a holy people unto Jehovah thy God: Jehovah thy God has chosen thee to be a people for his own possession, above all peoples that are on the face of the earth.

Yes, that seems to be very different from what I posted.
The point to be made here, which I guess you want a full explanation for is :


So what if the Qu'ran advocates violence against infidels? If you believe it you will do what God tells you to do. If he wants you to kill infidels, it's obviously in his plan, IF YOU BELIEVE AND WANT TO REMAIN IN GOD'S FAVOR. Now, if these Jews said, we can't do it, these people have lives and families to take care of, children to watch over, what would God say? He told you something now you go and do it. The same way they belived is the same way these Muslims believe. They have to carry it out the way they see it without compassion that God does not see compassion for especially since they see themselves as the living God's true life.

And yes, I do consider David Duke a credible source of info. First time I went to his site, I had never heard of him. I only heard of his actions afterwards.

I'm going to assume that you also think Malcolm X, another of my faves is Anti-Semitic, too?
What about Christians? Are they thinly veiled Anti-Semites? After all, each time Christ's death is mentioned it mentions that a certain people were responsible for his death.
John 19: 1-22
Luke chapter 23
Mark chapter 15
Matthew 26: 47 to 27:43


I just didn't want to write it all out because I assumed that a Bible would have been picked up and read for yourself.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by mickydaniels

Anti-Semitism?
No. I'm not going to tell you why the Holocaust was justified because it wasn't. A man with an intense amount of hatred got into a position to do something about it. What I was reffering to was the death of God's Son, Jesus Christ.


Deuteronomy 7:1-6
When Jehovah thy God shall bring thee into the land wither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, the Girga****e, the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou, and when Jehovah thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them: thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them; neither shalt thou make marriages with them, thy daughter thou shalt not giveunto his son , nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For he will turn thy son away from following me, that they may serve many other gods: so will the anger of Jehovah be kindled against you, and he will destroy thee quickly. But thus shall ye deal with them: ye shall break down their altars, and dash in pieces their pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire. For thou art a holy people unto Jehovah thy God: Jehovah thy God has chosen thee to be a people for his own possession, above all peoples that are on the face of the earth.

Yes, that seems to be very different from what I posted.
The point to be made here, which I guess you want a full explanation for is :


So what if the Qu'ran advocates violence against infidels? If you believe it you will do what God tells you to do. If he wants you to kill infidels, it's obviously in his plan, IF YOU BELIEVE AND WANT TO REMAIN IN GOD'S FAVOR. Now, if these Jews said, we can't do it, these people have lives and families to take care of, children to watch over, what would God say? He told you something now you go and do it. The same way they belived is the same way these Muslims believe. They have to carry it out the way they see it without compassion that God does not see compassion for especially since they see themselves as the living God's true life.

I posted that in response to another post asking what kind of God would advocate violence. I know that Allah did, so evidently does the Christian God. I wasn't making judgements, just stating facts.

And yes, I do consider David Duke a credible source of info. First time I went to his site, I had never heard of him. I only heard of his actions afterwards.

No comment needed.

I'm going to assume that you also think Malcolm X, another of my faves is Anti-Semitic, too?

I don't know about Malcolm X as I never studied him, but I know many of his followers are very much anti-semites. I do know that Malcolm X for much of his political life considered pretty much everyone who wasn't black a devil.

What about Christians? Are they thinly veiled Anti-Semites? After all, each time Christ's death is mentioned it mentions that a certain people were responsible for his death.
John 19: 1-22
Luke chapter 23
Mark chapter 15
Matthew 26: 47 to 27:43

Some Chritians are anti-semites. Some aren't. Its not uncommon, but that also does not make it forgiveable. I certaintly am not one to spout off about how Christians are infallable. They are not, but I can also see that Christianity has been far more of a boon to the world than a detriment. Meanwhile the strict tennants of the Koran and abuses of it by its followers have kept much of the Middle East mired in violence and poverty for many many years.

[mickydaniels]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

I don't know about Malcolm X as I never studied him, but I know many of his followers are very much anti-semites. I do know that Malcolm X for much of his political life considered pretty much everyone who wasn't black a devil.

Here's a statement I believe accurately describes what he was about from 1965:

Whether you're educated or illiterate, whether you live on the boulevard or in the alley, you're going to catch hell just like I am. We're all in the same boat and we all are going to catch the same hell from the same man. He just happens to be a white man. All of us have suffered here, in this country, political oppression at the hands of the white man, and social degradation at the hands of the white man.
Now in speaking like this, it doesn't mean that we're anti-white, but it does mean we're anti-exploitation, we're anti-degradation, we're anti-oppression. And if the white man doesn't want us to be anti-him, let him stop oppressing us and exploiting and degrading us.

[Shadow_Link]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

I posted that in response to another post asking what kind of God would advocate violence. I know that Allah did

Sorry? Could you please read a bit more about Islam before making naive comments like this one... Either do that or don't comment about anything on Islam at all.

Advocating violence? I think not.

[GameKinG]

"Unless someone recorded the day this event occured and witnessed the situation for themselves, then that reason is invalid and cannot be used as testimony for ownership of the land. Case dismissed."

I beilieve the Jews use the old testamate as their ownership documentation when God gave them the land and took it from the philistines (palistinians). Now, If your not a bible/torah (or whatever it is) goer, thats fine. Try telling the jews thats not good enough. Im not sure about muslim stuff, Im sure they were told its theirs as well.