Politically Incorrect: Gay Marriage

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

In Canada it is allready legal, so I don't see what the big deal is.

exactly, and marijuana is next on the list , right now its decriminalized and soon to be legaized, tee hee, once its legalized, where do you think all the amercians are gonna go for cottage trips?

[TheGame]

lol... I don't even want to bother argueing. but...

All I know is, if it's leagalized it shouldn't be manditory for any pastor/preist to marry a couple that they don't want to. In other words, let the people who don't support it not support it, and only let the people who support it support it.

Am I against it? HELL yes... Do I want to make my case? HELL no. ()

It would just turn into an arguement that will lead nowhere.. somthing about religion, morals, where this country came from and where it's going... I've been through this crap one too many times here, and for the sake of keeping peace, I don't want to take it there again.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Am I against it? HELL yes... Do I want to make my case? HELL no. ()

It would just turn into an arguement that will lead nowhere.. somthing about religion, morals, where this country came from and where it's going... I've been through this crap one too many times here, and for the sake of keeping peace, I don't want to take it there again.

I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out.

Originally Posted by Kitana85

Sighs I wish the 50+ year old peeps agree with you guys

Well, if the majority of us young people aren't against homosexual marriage, then there's hope yet. All we have to do is wait for all those 50+ year old peeps to die off and then the world would change.

Yeah, it's a slow process, but democracy is like that.

[TheGame]

"I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out."
-Mr. X-

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

"I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out."
-Mr. X-

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

Lets disect this argument for a moment:

1) We live in a secular society, not a religious one. Your religious ideals of "sin" based on the bible have nothing to do with whether or not it should be legal under out constitution.

2) Ok, how does being gay equate to incest? And lets try to not make too much of a stretch here when you attempt to explain.

3) You ask us if we know whats going on in a gay person's mind. Well, do you? Didn't think so. In fact most modern evidence suggests that gay people are born that way. Wait a second... aren't all men created in God's image???? GOD'S A BI-SEXUAL!!!!! Mind blowing...

Also, if you are going to attempt to back up the legal aspects of why gay marriage should be banned, lets keep religion out of it, as it has no place in our government. I'm interested in your non-religious arguments.

As for religious arguments, if all men are made with free will according to the bible, why should we make gay marriage illegal considering it doesn't HURT ANYONE? Isn't it up to God to make that judgement when they die? I also remember something about "judging" in the bible too, and how we humans shouldn't do it.

[Bond]

Well, lets separate this.

I was talking about legalizing gay marriage. Justin's only case right now is a religious one, which would obviously not hold up.

If we are talking about accepting gays into the Christian or whichever Church then he does have a religious argument.

Although both of his arguments are wrong because he turned down by McNair/Favre trade.

By the way, does anyone see Church attendance going way down in the near future?

[Jonbo298]

I finally gave it enough posts to get a general idea of what gt'ers think.

I for one am not against gay marriages. If 2 men or 2 women want to marry, let them! But we live in a society where morals/religion is taken into affect waaay too much. I'm not saying we shouldn't base everything around religion and morals, because there are some scenarios where it just is too wrong. But if 2 men or 2 women want to get married, its their choice, not the govt's choice.

*On Bonds Last Question*
Attendance might go down. There will be people out there who will probably send death threats, hate mail, or nasty phone calls to the (I dont want to start a stereotype, but I dont remember his name) "gay bishop". I hope whomever does attempt it (and you know it will happen), gets prosecuted to the fullest extent because he/she will deserve it.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Bond

Well, lets separate this.

I was talking about legalizing gay marriage. Justin's only case right now is a religious one, which would obviously not hold up.

If we are talking about accepting gays into the Christian or whichever Church then he does have a religious argument.

Like I said in my first post, let them get married, but don't make it manditoy or and church or pastor to marry them.

Although both of his arguments are wrong because he turned down by McNair/Favre trade.

lol, now honestly, you expect me to trade my first pick for just McNair?

As for everybody else's posts, I didn't read past a couple of lines

I will read and reply in another post

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by Bond

By the way, does anyone see Church attendance going way down in the near future?

Nope. Most of the Christians that I know either a) support gay marriage or b) just don't give a damn.

Going to Church is to learn about Jesus and what he did. We also learn how to apply his teachings to our everyday life. He taught us not to discriminate against anyone, so I will not discriminate against homosexual people. It's that simple.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by The Strangler

Lets disect this argument for a moment:

1) We live in a secular society, not a religious one. Your religious ideals of "sin" based on the bible have nothing to do with whether or not it should be legal under out constitution.

2) Ok, how does being gay equate to incest? And lets try to not make too much of a stretch here when you attempt to explain.

3) You ask us if we know whats going on in a gay person's mind. Well, do you? Didn't think so. In fact most modern evidence suggests that gay people are born that way. Wait a second... aren't all men created in God's image???? GOD'S A BI-SEXUAL!!!!! Mind blowing...

Also, if you are going to attempt to back up the legal aspects of why gay marriage should be banned, lets keep religion out of it, as it has no place in our government. I'm interested in your non-religious arguments.

As for religious arguments, if all men are made with free will according to the bible, why should we make gay marriage illegal considering it doesn't HURT ANYONE? Isn't it up to God to make that judgement when they die? I also remember something about "judging" in the bible too, and how we humans shouldn't do it.

lol... read my other arguements for 'religios' answers.

As for non-religious reasons to make it illegal, I have nothing against it... my whole bias is based religion. I have hinted at it many times in this thread, but I would like to make it clear.

Game, say the tables are turned. Say being gay is the norm both socially and religiously. But you're born heterosexual and have absolutely no attraction to other men and even find it disgusting. So, knowing this, you would never EVER take a woman as your wife or see one romantically? You would never have sex with a woman or have act on your erotic thoughts?

lol... of course I would still be who I am... But this is a 'what if' question that holds no water in a arguement. If the only way to have babies remained the same, I would use that as my arguement to jutify my actions as more than just a sexual desire.

A better question would have been: what if I woke up tomorrow morning and I was a girl. Keeping all my same thoughs about women. In that case I would have to chose between my faith and my fleshly desire.... and that would be a ****ed up situation...

What I would do is simply never be married, and pray about it... if I had to chose between going to hell and having sex with women, I would never touch a girl again, and just never be attracted to a guy.

-EDIT- had to make this more clear

I would not have any sexual relationship of any type with anybody.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

I would not have any sexual relationship of any type with anybody.

So you never plan on having sex with anyone ever?

BTW, but "lol" in front of your posts does not validate your opinions nor invalidate those who disagree with you. It comes off more as a nervous defense mechanism.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by TheGame

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union.

Which the US does allow if one of the siblings is adopted.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

how can you accept siblings getting married before gays??? if siblings get married and they have children odds are their gonna have eleven toes, or some other genetic mutation. What happens when two gay ppl get married? nothing! their just with the person they want to be with, nothing more, that and they get the benefits from the government for being married, who does that hurt??? how does that affect YOU???

[Kitana85]

If gay's could get married, they wouldn't be having sex out of marriage... besides, who would want to be gay.. I mean, people don't tend to go out of their way to get persecuted... what ever...

I just think they should be able to get the same medical benefits as straight people... it comes down to this

If two gay men have been together for as many as 25 years, as one is dying, the other WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AT HIS LIFE-PARTNER'S BEDSIDE AS HE DIED. He would have no claim to any of his partners belonings, and if the house was in his partners name, he would have no claim to that.

The dignity of both are taken away and their is no recourse... they can't even be with their partner as they die, as a husband of wife could be.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

how can you accept siblings getting married before gays??? if siblings get married and they have children odds are their gonna have eleven toes, or some other genetic mutation. What happens when two gay ppl get married? nothing! their just with the person they want to be with, nothing more, that and they get the benefits from the government for being married, who does that hurt??? how does that affect YOU???

lol, some would use your arguement against you, I mean, if gay people can't have kids what purpose do they serve? I dunno about you, but I would rather Adam and Eve be brother and sister than be gay and not want to have anything to do with each-other. Thus the reason I would accept any

It doesn't effect me now... and I hope it never does. That is all I can say as far as a personal reply.