Politically Incorrect: Gay Marriage

[Professor S]

The fact that this is even a hot topic is rediculous. What are we arguing over? We'rte arguing over whether 2 people can get married. How this affects anyone else but the people in question, I have no idea.

The biggest arguement against gay marriage, besides "***s are the DEVIL", is "Marriage is a very specific thing. Its between a man and a woman." To me this is a thin veil of homophobic bigotry. The reason why poeple are against gay marriage is because it would be like saying that being gay is acceptable. It is inclusionary, instead of exclusionary. Keeping gay marriage illegal is just another way of keeping homosexuality a taboo.

To me, marriage is about 2 people that love one another devoting their lives to each other. Now we heterosexuals seem to only be able to make this work 40% of the time. Maybe we should let homosexuals have a crack at it.

The bible is the main case against gay marriage, but then again aren't we supposed to be a secular society? The very fact that our law follows the tenants of the bible in this is non-constitutional. Aren't all men created equal? If so, then gay marriage should be legal. If one person has a right, all should have them as well.

As for the Catholic church, I stopped listening to them after the whole pereverted priest controversy. So the Catholic church is against gay marriage between 2 loving and LEGAL individuals, but yet forced homosexual pedophilia which will scar thousands for the rest of their lives is A-OK. For the record, I have nothing against Catholicism as a religion, but the organization of the Catholic church is corrupt and should be disintegrated.

[Joeiss]

In Canada it is allready legal, so I don't see what the big deal is.

[GiMpY-wAnNaBe]

Originally Posted by Joeiss

In Canada it is allready legal, so I don't see what the big deal is.

exactly, and marijuana is next on the list , right now its decriminalized and soon to be legaized, tee hee, once its legalized, where do you think all the amercians are gonna go for cottage trips?

[TheGame]

lol... I don't even want to bother argueing. but...

All I know is, if it's leagalized it shouldn't be manditory for any pastor/preist to marry a couple that they don't want to. In other words, let the people who don't support it not support it, and only let the people who support it support it.

Am I against it? HELL yes... Do I want to make my case? HELL no. ()

It would just turn into an arguement that will lead nowhere.. somthing about religion, morals, where this country came from and where it's going... I've been through this crap one too many times here, and for the sake of keeping peace, I don't want to take it there again.

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Am I against it? HELL yes... Do I want to make my case? HELL no. ()

It would just turn into an arguement that will lead nowhere.. somthing about religion, morals, where this country came from and where it's going... I've been through this crap one too many times here, and for the sake of keeping peace, I don't want to take it there again.

I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out.

Originally Posted by Kitana85

Sighs I wish the 50+ year old peeps agree with you guys

Well, if the majority of us young people aren't against homosexual marriage, then there's hope yet. All we have to do is wait for all those 50+ year old peeps to die off and then the world would change.

Yeah, it's a slow process, but democracy is like that.

[TheGame]

"I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out."
-Mr. X-

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

"I hope it's not that stupid argument where gay marriage is somehow equated to sodomy and incest. And yes, I just called that argument stupid. The counter-argument to that one is so obvious and straightforward that I won't bother to lay it out."
-Mr. X-

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

Lets disect this argument for a moment:

1) We live in a secular society, not a religious one. Your religious ideals of "sin" based on the bible have nothing to do with whether or not it should be legal under out constitution.

2) Ok, how does being gay equate to incest? And lets try to not make too much of a stretch here when you attempt to explain.

3) You ask us if we know whats going on in a gay person's mind. Well, do you? Didn't think so. In fact most modern evidence suggests that gay people are born that way. Wait a second... aren't all men created in God's image???? GOD'S A BI-SEXUAL!!!!! Mind blowing...

Also, if you are going to attempt to back up the legal aspects of why gay marriage should be banned, lets keep religion out of it, as it has no place in our government. I'm interested in your non-religious arguments.

As for religious arguments, if all men are made with free will according to the bible, why should we make gay marriage illegal considering it doesn't HURT ANYONE? Isn't it up to God to make that judgement when they die? I also remember something about "judging" in the bible too, and how we humans shouldn't do it.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by TheGame

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union.

Which the US does allow if one of the siblings is adopted.

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

exactly, and marijuana is next on the list , right now its decriminalized and soon to be legaized, tee hee, once its legalized, where do you think all the amercians are gonna go for cottage trips?

We will probably decriminalize it... But not legalize it. If we did, then we would be kicked out of the UN!

[Dylflon]

We're not arguing about gay marriage. We're discussing it. And marijuana won't be legalized. They just won't arrest you for having it.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by the game

a sin is a sin is a sin... period.

Also, thanks for calling my arguement stupid... I mean, you completly know how a gay person's mind works, right? Plus you know how incest people think too right? It's completly different right? Can't argue with that...

honestly, I don't give a damn what you think.

I'd accept a brother being married to is sister before I'd accept any type of gay union. In the end, they are just hurting themselves. Just one more step in the wrong direction.

But anyway... the way I see it, a sin is a sin, is a sin. What's right is right, and what's wrong is wrong. Most people can tell the difference, some can't. I think Gay people can't.

This is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

What, no shades of gray? If wrong is wrong, as you say, and right is right, then why would you except a brother marrying his sister before you would a guy marrying another guy? They are both wrong, according to the christain religon. A sin is a sin, is a sin, right? You can preach to them all you want, you have that right. Its one of the goals of Christains, to convert the entire world. But in the end, the choice is theirs.

You mentioned that they are just hurting themselves, and that they cant tell the difference between right and wrong. They're gay, not stupid. If they dont see anything wrong with being gay, then fine. If they are condeming themselves to Hell or whatever, than thats their choice too.

I realize I cant change your mind, but this is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

What, no shades of gray? If wrong is wrong, as you say, and right is right, then why would you except a brother marrying his sister before you would a guy marrying another guy? They are both wrong, according to the christain religon. A sin is a sin, is a sin, right? You can preach to them all you want, you have that right. Its one of the goals of Christains, to convert the entire world. But in the end, the choice is theirs.

lol... have pretty much read the whole Bible... and I can't quite remember it saying brother/sister relationships are wrong. (Maybe just don't remember?)

You mentioned that they are just hurting themselves, and that they cant tell the difference between right and wrong. They're gay, not stupid. If they dont see anything wrong with being gay, then fine. If they are condeming themselves to Hell or whatever, than thats their choice too.

I never said that it isn't thier choice and I didn't call them stupid. Some don't see anything wrong with stealing, killing, or commiting adultry... hell, some don't find anything wrong with letting a goat give them oral sex. I mean NOTHING wrong with it, if the law protects it or not.

Just because one can't tell the difference beween right and wrong it doesn't mean they are right. If one acted on all thier fleshly desires because in thier mind it's right, it doesn't mean it's right. right?

Now, being gay doesn't hurt anybody else, that's why I think people find it acceptable... like I said before, they are only hurting themselves.

I realize I cant change your mind, but this is just what I believe, you can question it all you want, but you can't change it.

lol, nice

[kevin]

I highly doubt that the United Nations would expel Canada for legalizing marijuana. And if you do, I'd like some of what you're smoking!

The main reason that I doubt that Canada would be expelled from the UN for legalising marijuana is because Iraq hasn't even been expelled. Nope, not after the Gulf War, and after Saddam allegedly poisoned and gassed his citizens.

Homosexual marriage is the next logical step forward for a country that prides itself on being the 'land of the free'... Why not make yourselves free-minded as well?

In my opinion a previous poster was correct when he said that a priest should not be compelled to marry anyone that he/she felt should not be married - Canada's own proposed legislation allows for that and respects religious ideals.

[Stonecutter]

Originally Posted by kevin

I highly doubt that the United Nations would expel Canada for legalizing marijuana. And if you do, I'd like some of what you're smoking!

The main reason that I doubt that Canada would be expelled from the UN for legalising marijuana is because Iraq hasn't even been expelled. Nope, not after the Gulf War, and after Saddam allegedly poisoned and gassed his citizens.

Homosexual marriage is the next logical step forward for a country that prides itself on being the 'land of the free'... Why not make yourselves free-minded as well?

In my opinion a previous poster was correct when he said that a priest should not be compelled to marry anyone that he/she felt should not be married - Canada's own proposed legislation allows for that and respects religious ideals.

Don't be a stranger dude.

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As for my stance. I'm catholic and after what the church said about gays the other day, I'm never going to participate in mass again.

Now, I haven't been for awhile, but **** these assholes.

Gays = Wrong
Gay Priests = ehhh....errr....

WTF kind of stance is that.

[Joeiss]

Originally Posted by kevin

I highly doubt that the United Nations would expel Canada for legalizing marijuana. And if you do, I'd like some of what you're smoking!

I remember reading in the paper something about UN's rule about no legalizing certain drugs... And marijuana was on it... yep...