Politically Incorrect: Gay Marriage

Bond · 08-04-2003, 04:13 PM

Politically Incorrect: Should the United States legalize Gay Marriage?

Well, this is quite a serious issue our society is faced with. As you know the Bible says gay marriage is wrong. But we'll get to that later. First lets look at why people would want to legalize gay marriage. When you get married you get married through the church and you become legally married. Currently gays are only allowed to get married through some churches and are not able to get married through the courts. Now you wouldn't think this should be such a big issue, but it is. When you become legally married you receive a lot of benefits - such as more money back on tax cuts. As you can see this pisses off a lot of gay couples because they are not legally recognized as a being married and don't get the great benefits.

Now, people have been known to be gay as far back as we can tell, it was just never such a large issue. Scientists are also fairly certained you are either born homosexual or hetrosexual. I mean, who would actually want to be gay? You may wonder why people do not approve of gay couples. It's mainly because the Bible says that gay marriage is a bad thing. But lets remember that the Bible is a book that is over 2,000 years old and has been edited countless times. And if gay marriage was such a bad thing why didn't Jesus ever talk about it? Jesus stressed treating everyone fairly and giving people justice. And if God made all humans, obviously he made some of them gay. But then why would the Bible say it is a bad thing?

Personally I think we should legalize gay marriage. But I'm interested in hearing your opinions. I want to try to make this as an intelligent discussion as possible. So whether or not you agree with someone, you have to respect their opinion. Open the floodgates.

Dylflon · 08-04-2003, 04:18 PM

I don't get what the big deal is.

Why does everyone get into a big huff over gay marriage? Gay people aren't any different from straight people aside from the fact that they like members of the same sex. Big freaking deal.

Why was it illegal for gay people to get married or have sex in the first place? That doesn't make any freaking sense.

Kitana85 · 08-04-2003, 04:28 PM

CNN, the Today Show, and The New York Times have all had HUGE stories regarding the descision of the Epsicopal Church to approve the consecration of The Rev. Canon V. Gene Robinson as bishop of New Hampshire, a task that should not have taken more than 10 minutes. This debate came about now, as the church is in the midst of its triennial general convention.
I am currently here, at convention, as a deputy, in the midst of the turmoil. Many people who protested Canon Robinson's consecration did so because, he is in a gay long-term partnered relationship.
He has a strong faith, and was clearly called by God for this ministry, however, many felt that because he is not "married," he must remain celebate... an inconcienvable request, as all men need sex with one they are attracted to.

If Canon Robinson, a wonderful man with whom many I know are aquainted had to go through that much horror to follow what God called him for, because there is no place for his love in marrige, something must be done.

The diocese of Westminister in Canada recently approved the union of same sex couples, to the dismay of much of the Anglican Communion.

Though I support same sex union whole-heartedly, I would not call them marriges, as a marrige is between a man and a woman.

A resolution will come to the floor of the house of deputies tommorrow.

As I've been typing this in the exhibition hall, a sexual misconduct suit has been brougt up against canon robinson, so you can see how many people are agaist this.

The Germanator · 08-04-2003, 04:38 PM

I'm all for gay marriage. I never understood why other people really cared if gay people married. I mean, they are just two people who love eachother and want to make that sacred bond, just like a heterosexual couple. I'm not a religious person, and I suppose that's part of the issue, but I still don't see why people should worry about other people they don't even know getting married...just seems a bit silly to me.

Bond · 08-04-2003, 04:41 PM

Marriage is defined as, "The legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife," but that's just the only definition we know. Words can always be altered.

And on another note. Who is the Catholic Church to comment on gay marriages while they have thousands of sexual abuse cases on their hands, which they have not dealt with?

gekko · 08-04-2003, 05:12 PM

Bond, no institution is perfect

There's no reason they shouldn't try to protect their beliefs, even though there are a few bad apples.

Jason1 · 08-04-2003, 05:22 PM

Im Catholic...

gekko · 08-04-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko

there are a few bad apples.

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Originally Posted by Jason1

Im Catholic...

Coincedence?

Vampyr · 08-04-2003, 05:31 PM

I dont see anything wrong with gay marriage. If they want to be gay and get married to someone of the same sex, go ahead and let them.

And if its the deffinition of the word "marriage" that makes people not want to legalize it, than call it something else but give them the same rights and benefits.

Kitana85 · 08-04-2003, 06:01 PM

Sighs I wish the 50+ year old peeps agree with you guys

Professor S · 08-04-2003, 06:55 PM

The fact that this is even a hot topic is rediculous. What are we arguing over? We'rte arguing over whether 2 people can get married. How this affects anyone else but the people in question, I have no idea.

The biggest arguement against gay marriage, besides "***s are the DEVIL", is "Marriage is a very specific thing. Its between a man and a woman." To me this is a thin veil of homophobic bigotry. The reason why poeple are against gay marriage is because it would be like saying that being gay is acceptable. It is inclusionary, instead of exclusionary. Keeping gay marriage illegal is just another way of keeping homosexuality a taboo.

To me, marriage is about 2 people that love one another devoting their lives to each other. Now we heterosexuals seem to only be able to make this work 40% of the time. Maybe we should let homosexuals have a crack at it.

The bible is the main case against gay marriage, but then again aren't we supposed to be a secular society? The very fact that our law follows the tenants of the bible in this is non-constitutional. Aren't all men created equal? If so, then gay marriage should be legal. If one person has a right, all should have them as well.

As for the Catholic church, I stopped listening to them after the whole pereverted priest controversy. So the Catholic church is against gay marriage between 2 loving and LEGAL individuals, but yet forced homosexual pedophilia which will scar thousands for the rest of their lives is A-OK. For the record, I have nothing against Catholicism as a religion, but the organization of the Catholic church is corrupt and should be disintegrated.

Joeiss · 08-04-2003, 11:21 PM

In Canada it is allready legal, so I don't see what the big deal is.

GiMpY-wAnNaBe · 08-05-2003, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Joeiss

In Canada it is allready legal, so I don't see what the big deal is.

exactly, and marijuana is next on the list

, right now its decriminalized and soon to be legaized, tee hee, once its legalized, where do you think all the amercians are gonna go for cottage trips?

TheGame · 08-05-2003, 07:27 AM

lol... I don't even want to bother argueing. but...

All I know is, if it's leagalized it shouldn't be manditory for any pastor/preist to marry a couple that they don't want to. In other words, let the people who don't support it not support it, and only let the people who support it support it.

Am I against it? HELL yes... Do I want to make my case? HELL no. (

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It would just turn into an arguement that will lead nowhere.. somthing about religion, morals, where this country came from and where it's going... I've been through this crap one too many times here, and for the sake of keeping peace, I don't want to take it there again.

Joeiss · 08-05-2003, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GiMpY-wAnNaBe

exactly, and marijuana is next on the list

, right now its decriminalized and soon to be legaized, tee hee, once its legalized, where do you think all the amercians are gonna go for cottage trips?

We will probably decriminalize it... But not legalize it. If we did, then we would be kicked out of the UN!