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Stonecutter · 07-23-2003, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko

And yes, look at the reasons we went into Vietnam, and look at the end result. Wasn't pretty, but Vietnam did stop the spread of communism.

*CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP* And the world is a much better place because we got rid of that "evil" communism. I'm not going to try and suggest that communism or socialism is a better option because they're not. They don't work, but none of those countries are any better off because of capitalism, and life in the united states would not be any different if communism were still around... well maybe we'd have McCarthyites running around arresting people for thinking differently.... oh wait, we do have guys like that, they work for Johnny Ashcroft.

And communism fell because Russia ran out of money. Had we not spent so much money building up a useless military force (useless unless you consider Armageddon a legitimate function) to fight the evil "reds" communism would still be around. There was no reason to fight it in the first place. Because the wealthy felt so threatened by the thought of a revolution in the united states they made sure that everyone saw the russians as evil, godless people. We built the largest military force in the world and russia had to try and match it, but because communism doesn't work, they couldn't, and collapsed.

Yes, other countries, for fear of constant B52 flyovers raining fire on their humble villages, desided not to attempt communist revolution. I'm not sure why that's something to be proud of but, ok, I guess.

Vampyr · 07-23-2003, 05:33 PM

ROFL

At least its Ranzid and not me. Im just going to set by and watch.

Oh, and by the way, I agree with Stonecutter.

Rndm_Perfection · 07-23-2003, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko

It's not completely futile. One day he might catch on.

I'm educating the less fortunate, helping out society.

Hah... helping society by "educating" a foreign teen about American correct-ness?

"And then society bowed to Gekko's feet as he changed the mind of a Canadian at a Gaming Forum."

gekko · 07-23-2003, 05:53 PM

Stonecutter,

Heh. I almost find that funny coming from you. For someone who grew up long after Vietnam and the Cold War, you speak like you actually know what threat this "evil communism" posed. 30 years later communism is all but dead, but it wasn't back then. Communism and capitalism are two completely different societies, and we don't know what the result would be if communism continued to spread. When societies differ, there can be conflict. I don't see communism as a threat, but I wasn't alive back then, so I have no idea what it was like. In 30 years, our kids may not see some guy sitting in a cave reading the Quran as a threat either.

But at least you're not clueless, like some little Canadian in here.

PureEvil · 07-23-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko

It's not completely futile. One day he might catch on.

It is completely futile. He's from New Brunswick.

People from Eastern Canada =

gekko · 07-23-2003, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rndm_Perfection

Hah... helping society by "educating" a foreign teen about American correct-ness?

"And then society bowed to Gekko's feet as he changed the mind of a Canadian at a Gaming Forum."

I don't know how foreign you want to consider Canada. Granted he is from a different country, the culture is almost identical.

And I'm sorry PureEvil, I'm not caught up on my eastern Canadian society. Next time I'll try to find someone from Vancouver.

Rndm_Perfection · 07-23-2003, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko

I don't know how foreign you want to consider Canada. Granted he is from a different country, the culture is almost identical.

I'm not caught up on my eastern Canadian society.

You probably know little of Canadian history, and most definately don't care. Yet, you assume that Canadians are not "foreign" enough to know so little of American history and politics?

It's like looking out from a two-way mirror...

"d00d, stop picking your nose."

gekko · 07-23-2003, 06:22 PM

Umm... not quite. First of all, I don't know why you make the jump from what PureEvil said to Canadian history.

Second, Canadian history is not something we learn in school, and not something I have taken the time to study on my own. Canada isn't exactly one of those countries that have had a major influence on the world.

Third, you referred to him as a foreigner, and by doing that implied that he was in some way different. My point was the two countries as similar, so it's in no way different than educating someone from America. It's not like I'm talking to someone from Saudi Arabia here, trying to explain things to them would be futile. There is a chance to educate a Canadian.

And lastly, if a Canadian gets into a debate regarding American politics, they should be educated in it.

Vampyr · 07-23-2003, 07:28 PM

Im not Canadian, but Im going to say something here.

Canadians are educated in American politics, every day. They watch CNN too, they are using the same internet you are. When was the last time you went to a news site on the net and it wasnt about America? It happens, but not very often. And at my school, we did learn about Canada and its history. Not as in depth as our own, but you know, enough.

So if you consider Canadians stupid when it comes to American politics, then your wrong. Thats what happens when you live in a country thats not involved in almost anything and you live above a country involved in everything.

And on what Stonecutter said, hes right. The principles of communism isnt bad at all. In theory, its a utopia, a perfect society. Carl Marx wasnt a bad guy, it just doesnt work. Now back to watching...

Stonecutter · 07-23-2003, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gekko

Stonecutter,

Heh. I almost find that funny coming from you. For someone who grew up long after Vietnam and the Cold War, you speak like you actually know what threat this "evil communism" posed. 30 years later communism is all but dead, but it wasn't back then. Communism and capitalism are two completely different societies, and we don't know what the result would be if communism continued to spread. When societies differ, there can be conflict. I don't see communism as a threat, but I wasn't alive back then, so I have no idea what it was like. In 30 years, our kids may not see some guy sitting in a cave reading the Quran as a threat either.

But at least you're not clueless, like some little Canadian in here.

Well, if you weren't alive back then either, then don't use "the end of communism" as an excuse for that war. You don't want me to argue it because I wasn't alive but you insist on arguing even though you weren't alive, but oh well, it's not my fault you've got no argument to stand on.

FYI, There was no excuse for that war and yes, we did lose. If for no other reason than the political and, more importanly, social unrest in the united states.

What threats does communism pose then?

Actually, what threats does socialism pose? (communism - violence = socialism) Unless you've got a lot of money that you're afraid of losing, it's actually not much.

The wealthy don't want to lose money. That's the big threat. Spend a little, create some enemies for the poor and middle class to hate, have tons of tax dollars go your wealthy friends to build a nuclear arsenal that you need to fight the "evil reds" and you're all set. The rich get richer, and the lower classes don't mind, because they're "fighting evil."

Bond · 07-23-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyr

Im not Canadian, but Im going to say something here.

Canadians are educated in American politics, every day. They watch CNN too, they are using the same internet you are. When was the last time you went to a news site on the net and it wasnt about America? It happens, but not very often. And at my school, we did learn about Canada and its history. Not as in depth as our own, but you know, enough.

So if you consider Canadians stupid when it comes to American politics, then your wrong. Thats what happens when you live in a country thats not involved in almost anything and you live above a country involved in everything.

And on what Stonecutter said, hes right. The principles of communism isnt bad at all. In theory, its a utopia, a perfect society. Carl Marx wasnt a bad guy, it just doesnt work. Now back to watching...

Yes, communism in theory works. But it only works in real life if your leader can decide what is fair and balanced.

GameMaster · 07-23-2003, 08:45 PM

A member here on GT who wishes to remain anonymous has asked me to deliver this message to Bond:

"Bond, I find your signature offensive, please remove it."

That is all, please resume debate.

*teleports out*

Null · 07-23-2003, 08:55 PM

the truth offends someone?

so if my signiture said 'the earth is round'

would it offend this person also?

PureEvil · 07-23-2003, 09:03 PM

And besides that, who cares if some Iraqis die.

gekko · 07-23-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonecutter

FYI, There was no excuse for that war and yes, we did lose. If for no other reason than the political and, more importanly, social unrest in the united states.

We didn't lose a damn thing. The only way you're able to say that is by changing the definition to serve your cause. There were many bad things that came as a result of the Vietnam War, but by no means did we lose the war.

Vietnam was fought to stop the spread of communism because it was felt to be a threat to the free world. Now for you to say life in the US wouldn't be any different is completly ludicris, because you have no idea what life was like when communism was still strong.

Vampyr, who's calling Canadians stupid? We're referring specifically towards Ranzid

To say that Canadians are clueless when it comes to American politics means I would have to accept that Americans are generally educated on them, and would have a hard time saying that.

And Bond, I don't think any leader can help communism. It may work well for ants, but not humans.

Oh, and Bond, an anonymous member of GT told me they like your sig, and want you to keep it.