Don't believe in God? Why not?

[LeonMagnolis]

You may say that a drunken man is more happy than a sober one. But it doesn't make the drunken man any better. I agree, the bible is by far the easiest thing to believe. I just don't believe it.

One in 1*10^75937500000 is easier to believe then God?

I too am also annoyed at attempts to "educate" (read: convert) me to believing in a god

And I am tired of people trying to convince me that there is no God. But let me just say, if you're willing to change your beliefs because of some chat on the internet, then you were never that solid in them to begin with.

He died when Adam and Eve sinned

:: Double take ::

The hell are they teaching you in that school of yours, boy? What makes you say that?

A year ago, I found my best friend kissing the girl I liked at my school. I was angry-- but that didn't end my love for him (as friends.) That didn't stop me from following her around like a puppy dog and getting nervous when she talked to me.

Justin, I think you need to rethink alot of what you believe.

Look at all the extremists out there. A lot more than just muslim. Tons of Christian extremists. You really think they belong in heaven more than an athiest? I know people who don't care for religion, but live by much higher moral standards than these people who call themself Christians.

This is sad but true. Many Christains and hypocrats [sp?] and don't practice what they preach. That's another thing that I doubt anyone can deny.

I don't have to prove something wrong to know it's not real.

Then why should we have to prove something right to prove it is real? It all goes back to this little arguement which has been going around and around throughout the whole topic.

Who made the universe? We don't know, but that's not to say we'll never know. Scientists are constantly discovering new things, right? Right. So what makes you so confident that they'll never discover who created the universe? And we should believe the universe is real because we live in it. I see the universe, it's all around me. I don't see god anywhere.

Your senses are fooling you. Space is actually a bright pink zebra with four heads and three hooves on each foot.

Oh it's not? Then prove me otherwise.

LOL... What makes YOU think you'd have half a clue as to what he thinks? I've seen several, several christians (TheGame as an example in GT for sure) say what god thinks, and how do you know? You don't, but you said the bible seems logical to you before... Well doesn't it seem logical to you that if god created me, he'd want me to know he did so?

I neither said or implied that I knew. I'm not sure where you picked that up-- but it's-- quite flawed. And you should probably check your logic on that one.



About the contradiction-- keep in mind that many of the things written in the Bible were in context. For example.

<<<17. Jesus told a man in Mark 8:34 that "whosoever will come after me,let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow me." The obvious question is: What cross? He hadn't yet died on the cross. There was nothing to take up. That man would have had no idea what he was talking about.>>>

The cross was always a symbol of death. Jesus' was not the first crusifiction [sp?] and his wasn't the last. Back then, a cross was a symbol of death. They knew what he was talking about. Most of them had viewed multiple cruisifictions, and knew very well what the cross was.

But as far as logic goes, science for me beats every religion hands down.

And this again goes back to proving God wrong or right.

Which leads me to the following conclusion: if god exists but does not show us any provable signs that he does, he has planted the seeds of doubt in our minds. Hence some people do not believe in him. And yet despite this, apparently god still thinks you should believe in him without (to me) any beleivable evidence of him actually exisiting, and if you don't you're going to fry in hell forever. This means that you god has the sort of mentality of the people who go around leaving hats on the street with bricks under them, wating for people to stub their toe. Not the kind of god I would be happy worshipping.

I'm not going to try to explain God's mentality because frankly, I can't. And neither can you. I'm not sure exactly what God is thinking or was thinking when he left his hat in the street, and I'm not about to claim that I do. And God's people were not always happy worshiping him. He never once said we should be.

I lose my right to accept humans on their character alone, and have to judge them on their beliefs. I lose the right to decide how to live my life. I place total control of myself in the hands of an organisation controlled by humans, supposedly acting in gods name.

I'm not sure exactly where you're coming up with that, but I still choose how to live my life. I can still judge people on character alone. I still control myself. I choose by my own free will to live a life in accordance with the Bible and it's teachings. I choose to find my opinions about people by who they are and not what they believe. Dont believe this? Well then IM my best friend. He's gay-- but that doesn't stop us from being friends. I know what he does is wrong, but I don't let that stop me from loving him (as a friend).

Its like saying "wow, I can see how someone could have made that computer program, but there's no way I could do it, so it must be the work of a god".

Under the same train of thought, if I find a watch in a field, I don't just assume it evolved there. I know that someone had to have taken time and effort to make that watch. Look how perfectly the earth works and tell me that there was no thought or effort put into it and it happened by chance.

"I'm sorry, I just find it difficult to see things from your perspective"

"I'm trying to see from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my ass." (Directed at noone in here really-- I just thought that might go nicely after that little quote)

Because if you did and you still thought it was BS, I would have to conclude that you are willfully blind.

There was a case a while ago of a recently dead snail being dated at over five million years old. There are many other accounts of it being wrong, and I'll look for more later.

I do know how carbon dating is done. By comparing the amounts of the carbon isotopes, I believe. But then you have to assume that the amount was equil in the first place. What's to prevent more of one of the isotopes then the other?


Okay, my hands are sore and I think this post is gonna take about ten pages, so I'll just post it and get back to the rest later.