Nintendo lowers Shipping estimates; Mario sales expectations not met

[Professor S]

GCN = SMS, Starfox, RE were all released after launch

XBox = Morrowind (which can't even be played on the PS2), Rallisport Challenge, Sega GT, Blinx (about to be released) were all released after launch.

Its pretty much common knowledge that the XBox has the best selection of racing games on the market today spanning all genre's from arcade to sim to "other" (PGR)

Saying that the number of games out means nothing when comparing the number of quality games is just silly. The PS2 has had over a one year head start over both the XBox and GCN. And they also have been spitting out games for just as long. Throw enough darts a board while blindfolded and you'll still hit the bulleye more times if you have more darts.

IMO the PS2 has peaked, and if you look at the games coming up, you can see that. Its full of sequels and other just plain average looking titles.

If you look at the GCN and XBox and their upcoming releases, you can see that they are just getting warmed up, especially the XBox.

[BlueFire]

Nintendo really needs to reach out to all gamers.

Don't make commercials like that Sunshine commercial. I don't know if it was intended to make it look funny, but it looked stupid.
Metroid Prime commercial sounds very interesting. They'll probably be able to reach a good chunk of the gaming population with that. A casual gamer would be like: " SWEET ! IT LOOKS SO REAL AND AWESOME AND THIS AND THAT AND stfu " So... I can only hope they'll go far with that.

Same with RE0. Make it a good commercial.

[PuPPeT]

Originally posted by TheGame
When has anybody released a racing game that's better than GT3.. or a game period that's better than GTA3?

Well that’s a very Fanboy thing to say In fact I don't like GT3 doing up the cars was fine and all (Ok the same as the last two games) But when the game gets on the track it all falls apart the game plays like a dog It does not play like an arcade race and there’s no way in hell it plays like a SIM the whole racing experience of the game was just boring in fact the only thing that keeps people play is modding of the cars. And as for GTA3 get the **** out of it’s hype the game was in no way terrible or any thing like that but the best game every get a life, it was good but not that good.

And you go on about PS2 has so many more games then any thing else well yea it’s been out for a whole year longer if you care to look back a little you will see a console a year ago which had almost nothing on it after a whole year of being on sale (how short are PS2 fans memories I recall all the Bitching they were doing). Face it after two years of being on the market PS2 has got almost nothing to show for it a hand full of AAA which it should have had in the first year.

[Jason1]

Originally posted by The Strangler
GCN = SMS, Starfox, RE were all released after launch

XBox = Morrowind (which can't even be played on the PS2), Rallisport Challenge, Sega GT, Blinx (about to be released) were all released after launch.

Its pretty much common knowledge that the XBox has the best selection of racing games on the market today spanning all genre's from arcade to sim to "other" (PGR)

Saying that the number of games out means nothing when comparing the number of quality games is just silly. The PS2 has had over a one year head start over both the XBox and GCN. And they also have been spitting out games for just as long. Throw enough darts a board while blindfolded and you'll still hit the bulleye more times if you have more darts.

IMO the PS2 has peaked, and if you look at the games coming up, you can see that. Its full of sequels and other just plain average looking titles.

If you look at the GCN and XBox and their upcoming releases, you can see that they are just getting warmed up, especially the XBox.

You make some good points, but you have to realise that casual gamers dont give a poop what games are coming up, they will keep buying the same sequls for the same system they own, wether the game gets a 10 or a 1. If GTA Vice City got a bad review, which I know it wont, it would still sell, because most people dont look at stuff like that. Just some thoughts.

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by PuPPeT
Well that’s a very Fanboy thing to say In fact I don't like GT3 doing up the cars was fine and all (Ok the same as the last two games) But when the game gets on the track it all falls apart the game plays like a dog It does not play like an arcade race and there’s no way in hell it plays like a SIM the whole racing experience of the game was just boring in fact the only thing that keeps people play is modding of the cars. And as for GTA3 get the **** out of it’s hype the game was in no way terrible or any thing like that but the best game every get a life, it was good but not that good.

And you go on about PS2 has so many more games then any thing else well yea it’s been out for a whole year longer if you care to look back a little you will see a console a year ago which had almost nothing on it after a whole year of being on sale (how short are PS2 fans memories I recall all the Bitching they were doing). Face it after two years of being on the market PS2 has got almost nothing to show for it a hand full of AAA which it should have had in the first year.

well thats a very fanboy thing to say. PS2's games have both quality and quantity. I have enjoyed far more games on ps2 than GCN and Xbox combined. I love my GCN, but right now PS2 is on my #1. how can you say PS2 doesnt have a good amount of AAA games? right off the top of my head i can think of plenty. FFX, GTA3, SH2, MGS2, Dark Cloud, Devil May Cry, ZOE, and sh*t loads more. face it, your a nintendo fanboy

[Professor S]

I think what we (or maybe just me) are trying to say is that poeple are saying that the PS2's game library is being directly compared to the individual libraries of the XBox and GCN and thats an unfair comparison. The PS2 has been out much longer. So, DUH, it SHOULD have more good games.

But I think you should also agree that if you compared the PS2's selection at the same point as the XBox and GCN are at now after launch, that the PS2 would be sorely in need of some great games.

Both XBox and GCN are far ahead of where PS2 was at this point after launch.

BTW, I thought SH2 sucked.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by The Strangler
BTW, I thought SH2 sucked.

*points gun at Strangler*

Say that again, I dare ya... c'mon... try me...



uhh yeah uhh... PS2 is uhh... r0x0rz.... but so is NGC and XBox?

[Perfect Stu]

oh no...

I'm starting to see blatant fanboyism in PuPPeT again

Please explain to me why PS2 is 'cool'?

When will people except that most people prefer the Playstation 2's game library over XBox's and Gamecube's?

[Shadow_Link]

You know what guys... Everyone's right here. As you see, when it comes to games, everyone has different tastes (I've said that a million times). Why would Puppet be a fanboy if he said that the PS2 library of games in the first year couldn't match either the Gc's or PS2's? Though it is near fact, it is also his opinion. So what if he didn't like GT3 or SH2? Why would TheGame be a fanboy for saying that GT3 is the best racer ever?

And why would Strangler be a fanboy? The real fanboy's are the people who defend their system by calling others fanboys, and stuffing a list of games down their throats.

Heh, I guess someones going to call me a fanboy for no apparent reason...

Looking at several posts, I guess everyone is a fanboy... If you want to see real fanboys, head on over to IGN.

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by Shadow_Link
If you want to see real fanboys, head on over to IGN.

you are so right its not even funny

[bobcat]

Originally posted by DarkMaster
you are so right its not even funny

Not funny hey

[Perfect Stu]

I didn't call anyone a fanboy

I said I detected fanboyism in PuPPeT for his 'the only reason why PS2 is selling the best is because people are brainwashed and they have to buy PS2 because it's "cool"'

that's ridiculous and everyone knows it...except for those with a pinch of fanboyism in them

Originally posted by Shadow_Link
Heh, I guess someones going to call me a fanboy for no apparent reason...

Shutup fanboy!

[TheGame]

Originally posted by The Strangler
I think what we (or maybe just me) are trying to say is that poeple are saying that the PS2's game library is being directly compared to the individual libraries of the XBox and GCN and thats an unfair comparison. The PS2 has been out much longer. So, DUH, it SHOULD have more good games.

But I think you should also agree that if you compared the PS2's selection at the same point as the XBox and GCN are at now after launch, that the PS2 would be sorely in need of some great games.

Both XBox and GCN are far ahead of where PS2 was at this point after launch.

BTW, I thought SH2 sucked.

Some things in life just aren't fair. When I was at Nintendose and Ps2 wasn't even out for 3 months people said DC had a better library of games. Nintendo and Sega fans alike were bitching because Ps2's launch line-up didn't kill off 1 year (2 if you count Japan) of DC games.

In the casual gamer's eye, he walks to the store with $300... and all three systems just launched the day he got the money to buy one.

In my eyes, they are all the same too. Why? Maybe because Nintendo and MS could have had thier systems out in 2000... but they decided to wait and increase the quality. Thier decision to wait directly effected thier sales and the amount of games on thier console. Ps2 was kicking thier asses at launch, and Ps2 has no signs of slowing down.

If you look at the GCN and XBox and their upcoming releases, you can see that they are just getting warmed up, especially the XBox.

I think Xbox and Ps2 are just warming up... considering they will have the first console online wars. GCN just doesn't look that special in the future to me.

But the conversation is about what is happening now, and why casual gamers uy Ps2 over the competition. I doubt any casual gamer would say "GCN has only been out for a year, so I should skip on games like FFX, MGS2, and GTA3/VC and but one"

No, they see it simple... it's GTA3, FFX, and MGS2 vs Mario, ED, and SSB:M... based on popularity, and quality, that's the reason Ps2 sells more. Compared to Xbox, it's the same way, the curve of quality gets closer, while the popularity seperates the games.

Call me a Ps2 fanboy all you guys want... but if GCN, Xbox, and Ps2 stopped having games developed for the rest of time, and I was forced to get one system and it's whole current line up, Ps2 wins, hands down.

[TheGame]

Originally posted by PuPPeT
And you go on about PS2 has so many more games then any thing else well yea it’s been out for a whole year longer if you care to look back a little you will see a console a year ago which had almost nothing on it after a whole year of being on sale (how short are PS2 fans memories I recall all the Bitching they were doing). Face it after two years of being on the market PS2 has got almost nothing to show for it a hand full of AAA which it should have had in the first year.

A fanboy is calling me a fanboy... ok

As of October 2001, Ps2 didn't have a competitive line up with Xbox and GCN?

Lets even look in the future.

December 25th 2001 for Ps2 vs December 25th 2002 for GCN/Xbox... who has the best line up?

I'm not going to say Ps2 has the best (even though it could be argued) but I will say it is more than competitive. My Personal #1 pick would be Ps2, then Xbox, and GCN far behind in third.

[Perfect Stu]

Originally Posted by PuPPeT
Face it after two years of being on the market PS2 has got almost nothing to show for it a hand full of AAA which it should have had in the first year

you don't own a PS2 do you?