Bush is at it again...

[Angrist]

Originally posted by FreakyBob
“The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country.”
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“It's time for the human race to enter the solar system.”


Jesus, is this guy stupid or what?

Oh that was great!

Man, you are all such patriots...

[Professor S]

Wow, way to completely ignore anything I said and just continue to ramble on incoherently.

You're from Holland, you wouldn't have any idea what being Patriotic is. You have never been put in the position to have to save the western world nor would you want it. Your country is the size of New Jersey and you have about as much political influence as the steaming load I left in the bathroom this morning.

You scoff at what we say because you have no idea what its like to have people hate you BECAUSE you are the example of freedom throughout the world. To be a traget just because you are the most powerful nation in the world. To be a target because the leaders of oil-rich countries have convinced their starving, third world people that their problems come from a country half way around the world, and not the greedy uncaring leaders themselves who only care about lining their pockets.

When the US attcked the Taliban, did ANY Arab nation offer food or money to help their Middle Eastern brothers rebuild? No, they sat on their hands and wondered what the US was going to do about this, just like everyone else. They sat on billions of dollars and did nothing.

So instead of rebutting my statements with redicculous quotes taken out of context that have NOTHING to do with the reality of the situation, how about you actually think for a second about what I said and form a valid opinion. I think if you do, you'll find you'll have either nothing to say, or you will agree with me.

[jeepnut]

Originally posted by The Strangler
Wow, way to completely ignore anything I said and just continue to ramble on incoherently.

You're from Holland, you wouldn't have any idea what being Patriotic is. You have never been put in the position to have to save the western world nor would you want it. Your country is the size of New Jersey and you have about as much political influence as the steaming load I left in the bathroom this morning.

You scoff at what we say because you have no idea what its like to have people hate you BECAUSE you are the example of freedom throughout the world. To be a traget just because you are the most powerful nation in the world. To be a target because the leaders of oil-rich countries have convinced their starving, third world people that their problems come from a country half way around the world, and not the greedy uncaring leaders themselves who only care about lining their pockets.

When the US attcked the Taliban, did ANY Arab nation offer food or money to help their Middle Eastern brothers rebuild? No, they sat on their hands and wondered what the US was going to do about this, just like everyone else. They sat on billions of dollars and did nothing.

So instead of rebutting my statements with redicculous quotes taken out of context that have NOTHING to do with the reality of the situation, how about you actually think for a second about what I said and form a valid opinion. I think if you do, you'll find you'll have either nothing to say, or you will agree with me.

Strangler, I think you've moved beyond Patriotism. Patriotism is about being proud and supportive of your country.

You on the other hand are saying that your country is the only right one. That my friend, is being a fanatic.

[Doctor Zhivago]

I like America and am happy to live in America...I just don't like George Bush. He has the personality of a can of beans and the intellect of Forrest Gump (For further proof of this, just read through some of those quotes). The only reason this guy is in office is because his Daddy is a rich bastard. I hope he doesn't get elected for another term.....


EDIT: YEAH, 100 POSTS, BABY!!!

[DarkMaster]

Originally posted by FreakyBob
The only reason this guy is in office is because his Daddy is a rich bastard. I hope he doesn't get elected for another term.....

your kidding right? why does everybody assume that when someone is elected that he/she got there because of some scam or bribery. have you ever thought maybe he was elected because the American people thought he was the best man for the job? (well, he didnt have much competition )

[Professor S]

Originally posted by jeepnut
Strangler, I think you've moved beyond Patriotism. Patriotism is about being proud and supportive of your country.

You on the other hand are saying that your country is the only right one. That my friend, is being a fanatic.

When in my post did I say that the US is the only country thats right? What I'm saying is that the friggin' Dutch don't get to tell us how we should protect ourselves because they have never walked a day in our shoes. When was the last time they were attacked by terrorists? When was the last time they watched as other countries danced in the streets, burning their flag, as you were still pulling dead bodies from the rubble of a senseless attack.

Other countries aren't the new target of international terrorism, we are, and now those countries, many of which benefit from Saddam being in power, are trying to tell else what we can and can't do to defend ourselves. How does that make sense if you are an American?

My point is that Angrist shouldn't be commenting on things he knows nothing about. That is my point.

As for the UN, when was the last time they DIDN'T screw up? I seem to remember them tip toeing around Bosnia while thousands of Muslims were being systematically slaughtered in the worst act of genocide since the Holocaust until we stepped in, and folding like a card table once Saddam said "No, you can't check our weapons today. Nanny nanny boo boo."

Now we have a hostile nation that most likely has large amounts of biological weapons, if not nuclear weapons also, because we left our future in the hands of the United Nations.

A fanatic would feel a certain way while having no reason too. My feelings are based on the fact the the UN has failed repeatedly in matters of international interest only to have the US eventually come in and clean up the mess they made.

I believe that responsibility should be reserved for the responsible. The UN has proved themselves to be exactly the opposite.

I challenge you to refute the facts that my "fanaticism" is based on.

[Doctor Zhivago]

I'm not saying that that's why he got elected, just why he was able to run in the first place. Really, the only poverty-stricken president that this country has ever had is good old Abe Lincoln. And look at what a great president he was.

[The Germanator]

I disagree. Abe was just as racist as all of the others back in the day. He did disagree with slavery in the territories, which was the main issue, but he still believed in slavery in the south until the war forced him to think otherwise...Abe Lincoln was o.k, but he's always made out to be MUCH better than he really was. Now Teddy Roosevelt, that was a president.

[Professor S]

Rough Riders... MOUNT UP!!!

[Bond]

Originally posted by FreakyBob
The only reason this guy is in office is because his Daddy is a rich bastard. I hope he doesn't get elected for another term.....

Ok, I'm not even going to touch on your first comment, but he is not rich because of his Dad. George W. Bush IS rich. Look at his piror occupations, and what he has owned.

[One Winged Angel]

Originally posted by Angrist
Oh that was great!

Man, you are all such patriots...

Shut the **** up. Your not even American. Yet you still act as if Bush is an asshole. You are just a dumbass who has no clue what is going on with us right now. This is a very terrible time for Americans, you have no idea.

[DeathsHand]

Originally posted by One Winged Angel
Shut the **** up. Your not even American. Yet you still act as if Bush is an asshole. You are just a dumbass who has no clue what is going on with us right now. This is a very terrible time for Americans, you have no idea.

I know a number of Americans who think bush is being a big bully asshole... well that may be extreme, but they at least think he's not taking the right approach with Iraq... and they don't really like him and they never really did...

And how is it such a very terrible time for Americans? It's been a year since the terror attacks, we went in and did a great job with Afghanistan so far (at least it seems like it ), nobody's pointing a gun at our heads, and if it ends up being a terrible time for Americans it would be because Bush moved us into it... Or something...

At least from what I can tell it doesn't seem like a TERRIBLE TIME...

It's not one for me... At least not because of anything going on with like the country or war or something...

But yeah whatever... I think some people are going a little overboard on the whole situation, or how amazingly great the US is or something...

I'll probably just get yelled at by someone

[drolldurham]

alright, i'm jumping into this kind of late, but here's my point of view:

first of all i listened to some parents i know debate over the whole thing with other parents i know from south africa. The south african people made a good point: terrorisim does happen all over the world. obviously it's not on such a big scale, but it does happen. Things like grenades being thrown into schools happens all the time where these people come from. So from an american prespective, the idea of terrorisim was so foregin before 9/11 that we really didn't understand it personally. then it happens to us, and on such a large scale, and everyone starts freaking out.

I don't mean to bash america or americans, not at all, but i don't think it's right that we should be so exclusive about it. it's like we demand everyone's pity and attention and we're using it to an unfair advantage. I do support a countries right to defend itself, but it would be arrogant, in my opinion, to try and go about this whole thing, this whole war on terrorisim, single handedly. And from what Strangler said about the UN f-cking up, that may be true in some cases, but honestly the US has poked its nose around in some stupid ways. Consider things like somolia (ya know, black hawk down) was that really a good idea? Hell, please tell me were veitnam got us. And when you think about it, part of the reason these terrorists hate us so much is because we poked around where we shouldn't have been poking. The russians invaded afghanistan, and we came in and got the support of the afgahns to rise up against the russians. Mission completed, the US just packed up and left, leaving most of the afgahn population in poverty. I would be a little pissed if someone said "help us fight this war, and we'll uhhhh.... BYE"

of course none of this gives reason to kill thousands of innocents, but i don't think the US is making a smart move in trying to take on international terrorism, without international support and agreement.

and strangler, you keep saying that nobody knows what they're talking about. what i've said here is simply what i have heard and learned. you keep making such generalized and drastic statements about the UN... well, how do you "know what you're talking about"?

[Angrist]

I don't have to live in the States to know what's going on there. Perhaps this will surprise you, but we actually have a lot of world news on here. Whatever happens in Germany, Great Brittain, Africa OR the United States, we know it. Everybody here was watching the TV after 9/11. Everybody followed the American elections (so we know that Bush didn't even win, Gore had more votes), and we followed Bush reactions to the terrorism.

I'm noit saying that the US isn't good, I'm just saying that they're not as good as they pretend.
And you shouldn't keep bragging about how you 'saved our asses' in WW2. So you did, but like someone here said, if the US didn't exist, another country would have been in it's place that wouldn't have waited until 1943 (4 years after the war started) to come and help. Millions of innocent Jews would have been saved. But I don't have the feeling you really care about that, Strangler. No, you're a real American!

[Professor S]

Yopu have the absolute BALLS to blame the HOLOCAUST on America? That is the lowest, most disgusting accusation I've ever heard, and you a abortion of a human being for making it.

But then again, it fits the bill considering the US has becomes the world's police force. Whenever something bad happens in the world, the rest of the world stands by and wonders "What will those God-awful Americans do about this? If they don't step in, its all their fault." Gee, makes sense to you I guess.

What other country would have stepped in during World War 2? Every other industrial power at the time was either neutral or a part of the Axis Powers at the time (namely Russia and Japan). So what fictional, delusional, outright silly country do you speak of? Oh wait, its We-do-everything-right-because-we-are-a-figment-of-someone's-wild-imaginationistan. I've heard of them, evidently they're never wrong because they do everyhing right.

Guess what? Britain didn't step in to stop them either, nor did the Catholic church or anyone else for that matter untill millions were already dead. Oh, and where was Holland during the Holocaust. Twiddling their fingers? If you want to point fingers, point them at countries who were mere miles away, had full knowledge of what was going on, and did nothing.

And when they finally did, they relied on the US to bail them out.

Hey, but its all our fault, right? We are such an evil irresponsible nation. After all, we caused the HOLOCAUST. You sir, are scum.

Before you go making rediculous accusations, why don't you try and make a little sense and get a dose of reality instead of listening to what other people tell you and then mindlessly repeating it.

I'm not asking for any International pity or anything, I am merely expecting that we receive the respect that the US deserves instead of being the world's target for criticism because we actually DO SOMETHING when things go wrong in the world.

If true evil is to do nothing in the face of need, then I guess we are the most righteous nation in the world.