Mass Effect 3 Ending Discussion

[Typhoid]

I want closure dammit! What happens next?

Wait for the plethora of DLC that will never stop being released.

I dont get why it boiled down to how synthetic life will always rise up and become violent, so they need these cycles to keep things in check?

What do you mean "you dont get it" - you literally don't comprehend the concept of it - or you don't understand why they chose that as the theme of the Universe?

Anecdotal assumption alert:

The AI/Organic thing has been addressed as at least a minor theme in the other games - look at the Quarians, they created the Geth to help - the Geth rebelled after gaining thought, and there you go - Mass Effect 1. Mass Effect 2 explored the fact the Geth might be synthetic but they're still "life", but not before a corporation tries bringing Shep back from the dead and making him a living-robot so he can start flying around the Universe with his living AI-ship, dealing with the fact there is an engineered species stealing people to make a giant robotic human simply because they feel superior to all other species and don't trust any of them with their own survival. Which makes "sense", considering you're controlling a human-robot who is flying in a living ship with a sentient robot on his team.
The alien species 'controlling the cycles' maybe views synthetic life as an abomination to real life, being that it is superior and a seemingly neverending threat to organic life because given enough time it will most likely decimate the species that created it if no outside help is thrown in.

It just seems to me that Mass Effect is "about" the combination of living creatures and computers [In the same way that Deus Ex is, but on a larger and more warped scale] - and the problems associated with it - they just fast forwarded thousands of years beyond the "Hey, we made a computer that can play Chess, and we can put a barcode in your arm" part.


I still do want to play the game and experience this horrible unsatisfying ending for myself to see how magnificently let down I'll be. I have yet to see a person anywhere online say "Yeah, I'm satisfied with this so far." - That just makes me want to play it so much more.

[Dylflon]

I slept on it. Maybe I'm okay with the ending. I feel satisfied with the sacrifice I have to make since breaking a cycle is a pretty big thing to do.

I think people aren't really used to melancholy endings. But I guess it's fair to not know who lived or too much about what happens because it's Shepard's story, and my Shepard died.

I'm wondering if my squad for the last mission got vaporized. I took Garrus and Liara like everyone else so I assumed they're pretty dead. But then Liara walks off the Normandy and I'm like..."how'd she get on there"?

Anyways, everyone in this story was alive at a very doomed point of history so to give the future a chance is not too bad an ending.

And since the mass relays are gone, I'm curious what would happen with all the fleets stuck in the Sol system.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Dylflon

I slept on it. Maybe I'm okay with the ending. I feel satisfied with the sacrifice I have to make since breaking a cycle is a pretty big thing to do.

I think people aren't really used to melancholy endings. But I guess it's fair to not know who lived or too much about what happens because it's Shepard's story, and my Shepard died.

I'm wondering if my squad for the last mission got vaporized. I took Garrus and Liara like everyone else so I assumed they're pretty dead. But then Liara walks off the Normandy and I'm like..."how'd she get on there"?

Anyways, everyone in this story was alive at a very doomed point of history so to give the future a chance is not too bad an ending.

And since the mass relays are gone, I'm curious what would happen with all the fleets stuck in the Sol system.

Reminds me of this comic

[Fox 6]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Wait for the plethora of DLC that will never stop being released.




What do you mean "you dont get it" - you literally don't comprehend the concept of it - or you don't understand why they chose that as the theme of the Universe?

Anecdotal assumption alert:

The AI/Organic thing has been addressed as at least a minor theme in the other games - look at the Quarians, they created the Geth to help - the Geth rebelled after gaining thought, and there you go - Mass Effect 1.

Wrong about that. In ME3 you get the chance to see stored Geth memories and its the Quarians that start the war with the Geth. There are several memories but there are key ones where the Quarians are trying to shut a geth down (kill it) and the geth is just asking what it did wrong and how it wasn't broken, trying to figure out why they wanted to kill it. Further more it shows the Quarians murdering other quarians that sympathise with the Geth, and how the Geth remembered those organics that try to help and are grateful. The Geth only fight back after their creators literally start gunning down large packs of defenless units. This shows that the Geth (when not controlled by the Reapers) are not interested in rebelling. They were just defending themselves as any organic would too.

Mass Effect 2 explored the fact the Geth might be synthetic but they're still "life", but not before a corporation tries bringing Shep back from the dead and making him a living-robot so he can start flying around the Universe with his living AI-ship, dealing with the fact there is an engineered species stealing people to make a giant robotic human simply because they feel superior to all other species and don't trust any of them with their own survival. Which makes "sense", considering you're controlling a human-robot who is flying in a living ship with a sentient robot on his team.

1. Cerberus is not an evil corporation, they are just a group. Corporations main concerns are profits, cerberus' main concern is the advancement of the human race. They have shell corporatons set up to provide funding for them.

2. The illusive man never says he doesnt trust the other specials with helping in survival. He even openly supports getting the councils help when you ask him if you should try, and theres also the fact that a large portion of your team are aliens and how he is the one to suggest them and says they are the best, etc. He brings you back becuase no body else is doing anything about it. Sure he believes that humans deserve a better spot in the galaxy, but he trusts anyone that can help to fight the collectors, aliens included.

The alien species 'controlling the cycles' maybe views synthetic life as an abomination to real life, being that it is superior and a seemingly neverending threat to organic life because given enough time it will most likely decimate the species that created it if no outside help is thrown in.

That is debatable. Infact, the Quarians launch a war to retake their homeworld and are on the brink of victory when the reapers interfere and enhance the Geth. This results in the Quarians getting their butt whooped. So without the reapers, and or the higher alien species' intervention, the Quarians would have probably won the war.

Most of the reaper interaction is with organics, harvesting to build new reapers, indoctronation (which is a huuuuge part of Mass Effect), husks, etc. It seems that it came out of left field that all of this, in the grand scheme of things, is to prevent synthetics from rising up.

All I am saying is that it was a weird explanation for the Reapers and the cycles. It would have made more sense if they hadn't tryed to explain the reapers origins, and the whole cycle was just the reapers procuring the future of their species, ensuring their survival. Hell, I would've even bought that the reapers were created by the higher alien species so that they can ensure organic life continues, (ie: advanced space faring races would eventually use all resources and move on until there was nothing left.) by killing them all and resetting the cycle.