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Old 04-22-2011, 06:51 PM   #1
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I think motion has a place as a supplemental "once in a while" kind of thing. There are certain types of games that benefit from motion controls, but I think this generation has shown it is impractical to try to make every game include motion controls. I think basing future consoles on motion controls would be futile.
And at the end of the day, I'm happy we got motion this generation. I agree it doesn't work with everything, but for the games it does work, it really does add an extra something.

And unlike Vamp, I feel that Mario galaxy is better for its inclusion. And will perhaps go down as one of the best games of this generation.

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Sure, Nintendo won over a lot of casual gamers with the Wii. That audience, however, is only looking for certain kinds of games. They're not interested in relatively complicated "hardcore" games. They're not interested in amazing graphics or story or anything like that. The Wii, for the casual audience, was a fun toy that provided them plenty of cheap entertainment. They're not going to look for the "next" version of the Wii. They don't need it.
I really really dislike the use of the term "Casual" and lumping them into categories. Because at the end of the day these casuals are the same ones who make games like Call of Duty, GTA and Madden smash hits.

The "hardcore" are the minority in gaming really. There's nothing to say they don't like better graphics or story based games.


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I do think that if the next generation ignores motion controls completely there is some lost opportunity. There are games that benefit from motion controls. I think, though, Nintendo is smart not to be focusing on it this time around.
The smartest.. and most logical thing I heard about the whole situation is Nintendo will treat motion like accessory this gen. So Wii Sports 3 will be bundled with a Wii-Mote Plus and Wii Fit 2 will have a balance board, etc etc. Which could potentially work.


Closest to the Project Cafe/Stream controller apparently.
Looks like a Game and Watch.
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Re: Rumor: Nintendo Set to reveal HD Wii at E3
Old 04-22-2011, 10:39 PM   #2
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And will perhaps go down as one of the best games of this generation.
I agree - it will and it should.

But I think it achieves that level of amazingness in spite of it's motion controls, not because of them. All those things you have to twist and turn the wii mote for, I could have done with an analog stick, and I would have been more accurate at it, thus less frustrated, and thus had more fun...thus making it a slightly better game.
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:13 PM   #3
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I really really dislike the use of the term "Casual" and lumping them into categories. Because at the end of the day these casuals are the same ones who make games like Call of Duty, GTA and Madden smash hits.

The "hardcore" are the minority in gaming really. There's nothing to say they don't like better graphics or story based games.





Closest to the Project Cafe/Stream controller apparently.
Looks like a Game and Watch.
Interesting observation you made there, BaB. I think things like this should be common knowledge to the gaming audience... but for some reason, people don't see it.
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Old 04-23-2011, 03:18 AM   #4
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I really really dislike the use of the term "Casual" and lumping them into categories. Because at the end of the day these casuals are the same ones who make games like Call of Duty, GTA and Madden smash hits.

The "hardcore" are the minority in gaming really. There's nothing to say they don't like better graphics or story based games.

I don't generally like the term either, but its the one that fits best. Besides, I wasn't really thinking about people who casually play Halo or CoD or whatever. I was thinking more of the people that didn't previously play games until the Wii allowed them to bowl with their TV. The types of people who allowed the Wii to outsell the PS3 and 360 throughout most of its career.


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Old 04-23-2011, 10:59 AM   #5
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I don't generally like the term either, but its the one that fits best. Besides, I wasn't really thinking about people who casually play Halo or CoD or whatever. I was thinking more of the people that didn't previously play games until the Wii allowed them to bowl with their TV. The types of people who allowed the Wii to outsell the PS3 and 360 throughout most of its career.
See, I don't get this...

"No no, not gonna talk about the casual players who only pick up a yearly CoD or Madden or who made GTA into a mega franchise or turned FF 7 into a hit.

Only the ones who like to waggle their controllers*

"Casual" gamers are who drive the industry. They always have been. Perhaps, their faces have changed from generation to generation, but without them... you'll end up in a much more dire place with the gaming industry.
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Old 04-23-2011, 01:18 PM   #6
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I think the problem for the Wii this generation was that a lot of the games only catered to the casual crowd.

Games like Call of Duty, Madden, Halo, etc, do get bought and played by a large population of casual gamers, but they are also loved and bought by the non-casual gamers too.

Sure, the Wii has titles like that - Super Mario Galaxy, New Super Mario Bros...but a vast, vast majority are games that only get bought by the casual crowd.
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Old 04-23-2011, 04:09 PM   #7
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See, I don't get this...

"No no, not gonna talk about the casual players who only pick up a yearly CoD or Madden or who made GTA into a mega franchise or turned FF 7 into a hit.

Only the ones who like to waggle their controllers*

"Casual" gamers are who drive the industry. They always have been. Perhaps, their faces have changed from generation to generation, but without them... you'll end up in a much more dire place with the gaming industry.

I think you're misrepresenting what I'm trying to say.

1) You can't really group gamers (or any large population of people) into easily defined, separate groups. Neither the term "casual" nor the term "hardcore" are going to work for every single gamer. It all depends on whose outlook you're using.

2) With that said, I was using the term "casual" to not necessarily mean people who pick up a CoD or Madden once a year, no. I was referring more to people like, say, my mom who hadn't touched a video game since Super Mario World until the Wii came out. Then she was all for Wii Fit and such. Or all those elderly people who got news stories about how they were bowling with their grandchildren. People like that. Yes, there are other types of gamers that could also be termed casual, but I wasn't referring to them. Maybe I should have used another term, but I don't think I'm unable to talk about smaller group of gamers than "anyone who has ever bought a Madden."

3) In either case, I don't hate nor am I against casual gamers in any way. I am fully aware that "casual" gamers make the vast majority of the market. I don't mind companies making products with the "casual" gamer in mind. My point was just that group of casual gamers (the elderly, the "new" gamers, etc.) that made Nintendo so successful this generation won't necessarily follow it to the next generation just because. They have what they want with the Wii, they won't upgrade just because its new. So, it makes sense for Nintendo to try to win back the "hardcore" market along with the section of the "casual" market that buys CoD and Madden every year.


Anyway, I think we ultimately agree on the main point that motion controls are cool, but only for certain games that can use them effectively. Otherwise they feel tacked on and superfluous. I am all for a primarily traditional console with the occasional game with motion controls.
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