Microsoft Announces New Xbox Controller

[Angrist]

So now that we've discussed most of that... where does the Wii Classic Controller (Pro) fit in? Too much like a Dual Shock without the rumble?

[Typhoid]

Would like to see the left thumbstick move, and the triggers should be concave like every other controller ever made with analog triggers.

Well, except the original PS controller, dualshock 1, dualshock 2, dualshock 3, and whatever the other non-rumble controller is called. Oh, and theres the non-concave joystick of the N64 and the Gamecube.

Come to think of it, only 3 controllers have concave sticks. The Xbox 360 controller, and the Xbox controllers.

That seems to be 7 that don't indent, and 3 that do.

The Xbox 360 controller has changed a little bit during its life too.

They removed some plastic. Sweet. They went from:



To:



Buttons are still all in the same spot, relatively. No major additions or subtractions. No real changes. [I don't count the black and white button as "major changes"]

Opposed to this:



to



to



to



That is what I meant by changes. A complete overhaul. Not changing the colour, removing some plastic and keeping the layout.

[Vampyr]

He said analog triggers, not analog sticks.

Also Nintendo systems have been around for much longer, and had to endure the transition from 2D to 3D. Also neither the N64 controller or the gamecube controller were very good, probably because they were trying to change and be different for the heck of it. The only reason I like the N64 one is because of nostalgia.

But really, I don't see the point of change for the sake of change.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

He said analog triggers, not analog sticks.

That's what I thought at first, but then I realized that only 3 controllers have had indented shoulder buttons (both xbox and 360, and GC controller), so that couldn't have been what he meant.

But my point remains the exact same essentially. Here, I'll even re-write and revise it:

Would like to see the left thumbstick move, and the triggers should be concave like every other controller ever made with analog triggers.

Well, except the original PS controller, dualshock 1, dualshock 2, dualshock 3, and whatever the other non-rumble controller is called. Oh, and theres the non-concave buttons of the N64 controller, SNES controller and the classic wii controller.

Come to think of it, only 4 controllers have concave shoulder buttons. The Xbox 360 controller, the original xbox controllers, and the Gamecube controller.


That seems to be 8 that don't indent, and 4 that do.

I also wanted to point that that Typh is incorrect about the differences between the original Xbox and the 360 controllers:

1. 360 does not have the white and black buttons of the original, which were impossible to hit.

2. The 360 has left and right bumpers which the original didn't have

3. The 360's start and back buttons are in a more accessible location

This is why I said this:

No real changes. [I don't count the black and white button as "major changes"]

They moved around 4 buttons in pairs of two, twice each. They didn't change the layout of the controller other than those 4 buttons. The joysticks were the same. The abxy buttons where in the same spot, the d-pad was in the same spot. There was no complete overhaul of the controller. Sure, they added 2 shoulder buttons. Is that an overhaul? No. It's a simple addition. The controller wasn't revolutionized. It wasn't drastically changed. I wasn't talking about slight changes from an original xbox s controller to a 360 controller which resemble eachother completely. By "changes" I meant a complete change. The N64 controller does not resemble a GC controller. a GC controller does not resemble a wiimote. I said all of this in my post before.

You seem to think I'm saying this as some type of knock on the Xbox or something, as if you have stock in the company.

The reason I'm making the point, is because it's smarter to change a controller as little as possible, so people are always used to it, and can just pick up and play.

I always go to this [again, this isn't a knock against Nintendo] but most people I know just clearly prefer the GC controller when playing Wii games, because they're USED to it. Nobody I know plays Mario Kart or Smash with a Wiimote and nunchuck, they use a GC controller, because they know how to use it, and it's familiar, and there is a learning curve with playing a game you already relatively know, with a brand new completely different button layout and controller style.

And in the meanwhile Sony is using a SNES controller with some extra plastic, shoulder buttons and sticks. No drastic changes, so it's the same controller.

Thank you. I'm glad you're agreeing with me.
If you were able to look back and read the posts, this is the point I was trying to make the whole time.
That it is BAD to completely overhaul your controller every system. You typically want it to be as familiar as possible every time. This is why I said it's good for Sony that their controller has stayed exactly the same [not counting the addition of the joysticks or pressure sensative shoulder buttons], because this means someone who played a lot of PS1, and never touched a PS2, can pick up a PS3 controller and it will still feel familiar to them.

I don't know how you guys started assuming I was on the side of "controller change is great, Microsoft needs to change their controller!", because that wasn't my point. My point was 2 of the 3 [histories of] systems haven't really overhauled their controllers other than every Nintendo controller. Each Xbox controller resembles an Xbox controller, and each Playstation controller is the same previously.

[gekko]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Well, except the original PS controller, dualshock 1, dualshock 2, dualshock 3, and whatever the other non-rumble controller is called. Oh, and theres the non-concave buttons of the N64 controller, SNES controller and the classic wii controller.

Those are not analog triggers. You have Saturn, Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3, and the Wii Classic controller. PS3 and the Wii Classic are the only controllers where the buttons are convex. You should be able to squeeze hard and have your fingers not slide off the buttons. That's my beef with the PS3 design..

You seem to think I'm saying this as some type of knock on the Xbox or something, as if you have stock in the company.

I do have stock in the company.

Microsoft also has Kinect. There's a controller revolution for you.

I think you are missing the point here. Those of us who said we don't like the PS3 controller were not asking for a revolution, just tweaking it a bit. Exactly what Microsoft has done going from the S to the 360. In fact, given the response to the Wii, Kinect, and Move, not sure controller revolutions are too popular around here... except BaB.

I always go to this [again, this isn't a knock against Nintendo] but most people I know just clearly prefer the GC controller when playing Wii games, because they're USED to it.

I prefer the GC controller too, but it has nothing to do with being used to it. More to do with my feelings toward motion controls.

[TheGame]

Originally Posted by gekko

Those are not analog triggers. You have Saturn, Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox, Xbox 360, PS3, and the Wii Classic controller. PS3 and the Wii Classic are the only controllers where the buttons are convex. You should be able to squeeze hard and have your fingers not slide off the buttons. That's my beef with the PS3 design..

Really? I've never once had a situation where my fingers slide off of the Ps3 analog triggers. And I just wasted my time going into my livingroom to press it and see if it's an issue.

Not even close.

If you are holding the controller correctly, your middle finger will be right where the trigger ends. It's impossible for your index finger to slide off unless you're holding the controller wrong or you are missing some fingers...

I think you are missing the point here. Those of us who said we don't like the PS3 controller were not asking for a revolution, just tweaking it a bit. Exactly what Microsoft has done going from the S to the 360. In fact, given the response to the Wii, Kinect, and Move, not sure controller revolutions are too popular around here... except BaB.

The Ps controler has been 'tweaked' multiple times. For example, the above issue you brought up with the analog trigger. On Ps2 there was no trigger, just 4 small buttons.

-EDIT-

And cause I'm ultra bored and know you don't have a Ps3, I've attached some pictures I just took.

[Angrist]

Originally Posted by TheGame

If you are holding the controller correctly, your middle finger will be right where the trigger ends. It's impossible for your index finger to slide off unless you're holding the controller wrong or you are missing some fingers...

Ehm, in my experience hands/grips can be really different. I think the shoulder buttons on the Dual Shock and Wii Classic Pro are way too high for my index fingers. I prefer their placement on the Cubetroller (and I guess Xbox).
I have a friend who couldn't press 2 face buttons at once. He didn't know how to use both the bottom and top of his thumb seperately for 2 buttons. Just saying, hands and grips can differ.