Police Can Attach GPS to Cars Without Warrant

[Combine 017]

Typhoid I think your fine with it cause you dont own a car.
Or do you, I cant remember.
But id rather not have my car tracked by the fuzz.
And what if I did want to do something illegal, like run a stop sign or go above the posted speed limit, then im boned.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Combine 017

Typhoid I think your fine with it cause you dont own a car.

I'm fine with it on principle.
Just like I'm fine with the fact that my phone can be tracked if need be. Or that my address can be looked up if the police need to chase me down.

The issue here isn't that they have the ability to put a gps on your car, it's that they can do it without a warrant.

Should they be able to if they don't have any evidence? No. Why? Because I don't like the idea of someone having access to my house any time they wan't

Vamp - they're not putting a GPS on your car to see what is INSIDE of it. Just to see where it is. To compare it to getting a warrant to search a house isn't equal at all. It would be like them needing a warrant just to look up the government records of your address - not for looking in your house. Adding a GPS to your car doesn't mean they can randomly force you to pop open your trunk, or strip your car. They're just knowing it's location. Not what is INSIDE of it. Does your house have a location? Do the police know where it is if they need to? They sure do. So what's the difference if the police know where your car is? Like I said, they're not knowing what is INSIDE of the car, just like they don't search your house by simply knowing the address.

They -can't- just do any of those things you listed. Have to have a warrant.

I know they can't. That's why I used them as a comparison. I said "it's NOT like they are____"

Obviously all of these things are not equal to another. There's a line that's crossed when you go between knowing I make 60k a year and knowing that I go to starbucks every day at 2:30 and spend $3 on a coffee before driving five minutes back to where I work.

Why would they track you?

You do realize this isn't in place for everyday people.
I envision it logically. For people on bail, flight risks, offenders, or people who just generally need to be kept track of. Drug dealers, etc. They're not going to stick a GPS on YOUR car. Unless you do happen to be a drug dealer with a flight risk who happens to be out on bail.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

You do realize this isn't in place for everyday people.
I envision it logically. For people on bail, flight risks, offenders, or people who just generally need to be kept track of. Drug dealers, etc. They're not going to stick a GPS on YOUR car. Unless you do happen to be a drug dealer with a flight risk who happens to be out on bail.

You're argument fails because the possibility exists that they COULD use it on every day people. Hence the problem.

Knowing the location of my house doesn't reveal any information about me, other than maybe my income level. Thus why knowing when where and how I use my car is more sensitive. I'm not sure about where you live, but where I live I can't walk anywhere, nothing is that close together. So monitoring the position of my car is essentially monitoring all of my activity. I hope you can see that's different than just knowing where my house is.

[TheGame]

Typhoid you seem to be convinced that they will only do this to questionable or bad people... But this is the reason warrants were created in the first place, because they can and WILL do it to innocent people if they don't need a warrant.

Warrantless wire tapping is a perfect example. Abused.

And also, what is stopping someone from hacking that GPS signal? And even if unhacked, would you be okay with a bunch of perverted ass cops knowing exactly where your wife/daughter is at all times? Do you really trust them that much?

I value my privacy personally.

[Typhoid]

And also, what is stopping someone from hacking that GPS signal?

People can do that now. If your car, or iphone has GPS on it, and it's active - people can hack it and find out where you are if they're determined enough.

would you be okay with a bunch of perverted ass cops knowing exactly where your wife/daughter is at all times? Do you really trust them that much?

Yeah, I'm totally fine with it. I'm not a cynic. I don't think every cop out there is going to stalk and gang rape my family just because of this one situation. Are there cops out there that aren't up to par with the law? Sure. But am I afraid that they will use this ability to stay at work and stalk me or my family for no good reason? Nope. I have no reason to think that they will do anything but uphold the law. And since I have nothing to hide, I double-y don't really give a shit. I personally don't care if they know where I live. I don't care if they know who my doctor is, or where I went at 5:30 yesterday. I have no reason to hide any of my activities, or be ashamed of them. So personally, I don't care.

I hope you can see that's different than just knowing where my house is.

I can indeed, but the argument you were making before was comparing it to searching your house, not knowing the location. I was saying the aren't searching your car.

And yet still, I honestly don't think it's a detrimentally terrible idea.

But anyways, none of us are changing our views. You guys aren't going to view the police as anything but people who want to spy on you, and I won't change my view that they want a more efficient, and faster way of tracking suspects without having to wait X amount of time for warrants.