PlayStation Move Will Only Cost Me $180, And I’m Buying All of It

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Why is it that you assume that, though.




Did you stop to think that they didn't want to differentiate the Move from the Wii too drastically?



Maybe not every household has a Wii. Maybe some families have PS3's for the blu-ray, and their child is just at the age where they want to play video games. Maybe the parents with the PS3 want to play physical games casually.

How is it you call me out for an assumption at the start, and then have a scenario with 3 MAybes have to line up?

But let's work this out a little more
Games like Killzone, SOCOM, Resistance, Resident Evil, Heavy Rain aren't gonna magically find a new audience simply because they have motion controls. There isn't gonna be a ton of people, who aren't gaming enthusiasts as it is who will actively seek out those games on the PS3 as it is yet alone with motion controls.

So those games really only serve to get owners of a PS3 to buy Move and try it out for themselves.

As for not doing things differently with their more recreational games, the fact of the matter is, if it doesn't look different from the Wii, there is no reason to pay an additional 100 bucks for it. Nor is there a reason to upgrade from your Wii. Which is honestly the biggest hurdle Sony has to face. If I'm not mistaken the install base of the Wii is almost double that of the PS3 in the States and on a global level so there is a MUCH better chance of someone already owning a Wii than owning a PS3.

So its not convincing them to buy a Move over a Wii, its convincing them that there is a reason for them to upgrade or get this in addition to the Wii and right now Sony hasn't shown anything that is capable of doing that.

[Typhoid]

So those games really only serve to get owners of a PS3 to buy Move and try it out for themselves.

So how does this constitute them as:

...the most hardcore of Sony's loyalist.

And not just "People with PS3's."

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

So how does this constitute them as:



And not just "People with PS3's."

Oh because the majority of PS3 owners simply won't care.

Its funny how inconsistent your logic is in this case.

As you've pointed out to me on several occasions, you and your friends would rather play games like Smash Bros and Mario Kart with a GameCube controller over motion.

The Move is the same scenario except the DualShock 3 is the standard controller, and motion is the one you have to buy in order to test it out.

There are few games that are broken on the PS3 because of controls, none that I can think of, so unless you REALLY REALLY love motion controls or just like to buy Sony gear, there's little reason for you to upgrade to Move for such things as Killzone, SOCOM or Little Big Planet.

[TheSlyMoogle]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

Oh because the majority of PS3 owners simply won't care.

Its funny how inconsistent your logic is in this case.

As you've pointed out to me on several occasions, you and your friends would rather play games like Smash Bros and Mario Kart with a GameCube controller over motion.

The Move is the same scenario except the DualShock 3 is the standard controller, and motion is the one you have to buy in order to test it out.

There are few games that are broken on the PS3 because of controls, none that I can think of, so unless you REALLY REALLY love motion controls or just like to buy Sony gear, there's little reason for you to upgrade to Move for such things as Killzone, SOCOM or Little Big Planet.

Uhm well I could actually see heavy rain working really well on Move.

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by TheSlyMoogle

Uhm well I could actually see heavy rain working really well on Move.

That wasn't my point at all.

There are a ton of games, I think will be better with Move, as I enjoy motion controls, and think fair superior for FPS.

But there's no reason to buy Move for Heavy Rain when it works perfectly well with the controller it comes with. Which is more my point.

Sony has to get over that hurdle of convincing people that not only are motion controls better, but worth the investment to buy the tech.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by BreakABone

But there's no reason to buy Move for Heavy Rain when it works perfectly well with the controller it comes with. Which is more my point.

That's like saying "There is no reason to buy a Wii". It's been established that you're very pro Nintendo, and very seemingly anti-Sony.

In this, it's also established you assume the Move will fail because you're guessing at the audience - while also guessing the reason for buying it is somehow magically different than the reason people bought a Wii.

To you - the audience is super hardcore Sony fans who can't wait to play Socom with a physically-moving control style.

However, to you - the Wii audience is children and adults. Well...wait, why don't "people who want to play hardcore motion games" fit into here, aswell?

I stand by what I said, and I'll always stand by it. I haven't wavered in my view of the target audience for the Move: The people without a Wii, yet have a PS3, who want casual 'movement' gaming.

Will the selling point of a Move be "Holy shit, I can't wait to play Socom with this thing"? No. I think it will be more of either "Well, Little Johnny's been good, and Christmas is coming - so we can get him a whole new system entirely, or this Move for the PS3 we have"/"I'm only a 30 or 40-something adult, but I want to play games with my children, I think I will buy this Move, as I have a PS3 for the blu-ray capabilities, but have not bought a Wii yet."

Are there households that have both a Wii and a PS3? Totally. It seems to these people money may not be an issue, so in assumption theory - they will also buy a Move around Christmas time.

The Move will also have 'casual' movement games on it. Silly little things that are the relative equivalent of the myriad of shit [that rely solely on movement, and are aimed at children or adults] on the Wii. Did the Wii sell good because you can aim your gun in Call of Duty 3? You bet your tits it didn't sell in the least because of that. So how the Move is solely reliant [in your mind] on motion control games like Socom - rather than things like arcade games is strange.

[BreakABone]

Okay first and foremost, I'm completely tired of people using this BaB is pro-Nintendo bullshit. One, I wasn't the one who bought the Wii into this conversation nor am I really trying to compare the Move to the Wii. Two, just because someone is pro-something doesn't mean they are anti-something. And three, everyone on this damn forum has their own personal preference, I just happen to voice my opinion the most on these boards. I don't hide what I like. I have a Batman avatar and a Nintendo sig. Its not that difficult to read.

With that said, you have yet to provide any type of compelling argument that isn't full of ifs and maybes.

But if you are honestly telling me you can't see the difference in buying a system that comes with a motion controller as standard and works with 99% of the games and buying an accessory that can run you up to $180 bucks for the full experience.. on top of the console of the console and works with a small % of the games... then there's no point in this argument.

You can't compare buying a Wii to buying a PS3. Its like comparing a classic controller to buying a 360 or a PS3. Sure it works for some games, and sure people prefer it/use it, but at the end of the day it is nothing that is relevant to the core experience of the console and you can do perfectly fine not owning one.

And just to show you this isn't an anti-Sony thing, I'll break down every game they have set for launch this year.



Sports Champion- PS Move Exclusive. Bundled with the package. Makes standard use of the controller. Does nothing we haven't seen on the Wii nor anything on the Kinect.
EyePet- PS Move Exclusive. A franchise that does decent, but nothing special, who knows this could change with the latest version.
Kung Fu Rider- PS Move Exclusive. Game looks interesting, but may be too odd ball a concept for a general audience to accept. Again we shall see.
Start The Party- PS Move Exclusive. A mini-game comp really. Those are a dime a dozen. Perhaps augmented reality will give it better legs.
echochrome ii- PS Move/PSN Title. General rule of thumb downloadable games while good, go ignored by the majority of gamers. I don't know how well the original sold.
Tumble- PS Move Exclusive. One of the most intriguing games in the launch line-up curious how it does.
Hustle Kings- Post launch Patch for Move Support.
PAIN- PSN game thats getting post launch Patch
TV Superstars- Not really sure what to think of this game. It looks extremely bad, but it does have a nice hook and uses Augmented reality as well. Could see it doing well.
The Fight: Lights Out- PS Move Exclusive. A fighting game that relies solely on motions, though unless they fixed it. Canned animations so really doesn't offer anything gamers have been craving with the Move (more precise controls)
The Shoot- PS Move exclusive. A rail shooter. Won't do well with the release of Time Crisis
High Velocity Bowling- Post release patch
Heavy Rain- Post release patch
The Sly Collection- An HD remake of PS2 games. Not sure what Move adds to it.
SingStar Dance- This series does well in Europe. But there's a whole slant of Dance games coming out this year, and I think most look more interesting
LittleBigPlanet- Offers support for Move, again, I'm not sure what it adds.
BeatSketchers- PS Move exclusive. Think MS Paint but on your console.
Tiger Woods/Toy Story- Post Release patch. Tiger series also took a MAJOR hit this year after his scandal.
Lord of the Rings- Not sure if this works with a normal controller, I doubt it since its a Wii port, but looks interesting for kids.
Brunswick Bowling- Believe its a post launch patch
Resident Evil 5: Gold Edition- Post release patch for only a handful of gamers since it won't work on the original version.
Time Crisis- PS Move Exclusive. The franchise has always done decent on consoles, I don't see this changing.
NBA 2k11- Supports Move, curious how well it does.
R.U.S.E- PS Move exclusive, I think, PSN title I want to say. RTS. Has potential.

The rest of the games just have Move support.

So after that let me EXPLAIN again, how I don't think the Move really has any software that is EXCLUSIVE only to the Move that would compel a normal person to pick it up.

Sure, there may be a few families who take in the novelty of the device. But as it stands right now, I don't see ANY reason for the Move to do well based on the LINE-UP of GAMES being released for it. Not some mysterious anti-Sony agenda.