Project Natal/Sony Move Thread (Natal $150 ?)

[manasecret]

Before a full reply to Xantar, your argument and mine assume two different start times for the next gen. You assume 2014, which if that is the case, then I think you're right that the Move and Natal will be long forgotten and won't be integrated into the next gen.

However, I'm still assuming that -- despite all the blustering I've heard about how expensive the consoles are for MS and Sony this generation -- the next gen will start in 2012, starting with the Wii 2. (That's a gut feeling (i.e. made up), but also based off the timelines I compiled in that other thread about the Move.) In that case, the next gen will begin just as Move and Natal are waning, and would give them a second life moving into next gen.

[KillerGremlin]

BUT THE END OF THE WORLD IS 2012.

Actually, that could be a good marketing strategy.

PS4....$499 dollars, UNLESS THE WORLD ENDS. RIIIIIIDDDDDDGEEEE RACER!!!!

Xbox 540. No really, it makes sense if you've played Tony Hawk and shit.

AND PRESENTING

The Nintendo Pony. Yes, SOMEHOW we have topped the gayness of the code name Dolphin!

ALL 3 CONSOLES WITH LESS WAGGLE. (Prices and participation may vary, waggle-free not guaranteed for Nintendo, in fact Nintendo will probably do some other retarded gimmick or deviation from the norm like not including a damn DVD player or making their controller look like some sex toy for a 3-vagina possessing alien.)




Actually, I agree with Xantar's post 110% and he summed everything up I could have or would have said in a much better way than I could have or would have said it. I also agree with Angrist: I think Sony and Microsoft did get desperate, watching their super-expensive graphic hog consoles (you know, the ones that they are taking a financial hit on per unit sold) get dominated by the waggle Cube.

And personally, I think 2014 is far away so I'd like to see a 2012 console run, but 2014 would not surprise me in the least bit. Do people really expect hints of new consoles at this year's E3? I guess we will have to wait and see...

[Xantar]

Originally Posted by manasecret

However, I'm still assuming that -- despite all the blustering I've heard about how expensive the consoles are for MS and Sony this generation -- the next gen will start in 2012, starting with the Wii 2. (That's a gut feeling (i.e. made up), but also based off the timelines I compiled in that other thread about the Move.) In that case, the next gen will begin just as Move and Natal are waning, and would give them a second life moving into next gen.

OK, so then people will instead be saying, "PS3 has Move? Oh, that thing which nobody bought? Why do we care?" Remember here that we're talking about 5% attachment rates if Microsoft and Sony are lucky. The original Xbox Live did much more to improve the gamer experience and (depending on how you count) arguably cost less than Natal, but only 10% of Xbox owners ever purchased a Live account (things got much better in the next generation, but in the beginning the uptake wasn't very good). My guess is that by holiday season 2011, both Natal and Move will already be written off as failures and by E3 2012 nobody will even want to talk about them.

Peripherals don't get a "second life" by moving into the next generation. Just like animals, once they die they are dead for good. Microsoft and Sony may have motion controls on the Xbox 4pi and the PS4, but they won't be called Natal and Move because they won't want to be associated with failures. By the time of E3 2005, there were still a few games being released that used the GBA-GCN link cable, but Nintendo didn't try to push link connectivity on the Wii. The feature was dead.

[BreakABone]

Platform holder draws the dividing line between itself and its competitors ahead of E3

Anyone who thinks PlayStation move is simply Wii on PS3 has got it wrong – that’s the message Sony wants to put out ahead of its more detailed reveal of Move at E3 next month.

Several high-profile commentators, including the likes of Nintendo boss Reggie Fils-Aime and analyst Michael Pachter, have dismissed Move as simply a clone of the existing machine.

However, much like Sega boss Mike Hayes, Sony thinks the comparison is wide of the mark.

“It’s inevitable that people would say this is Wii on PS3,” UK PR boss David Wilson told MCV. “But we see it as a complimentary product. It’s a different proposition.

“And let’s not forget, we’ve been in this space before with EyeToy and all the rest of it. There are learnings there. It’s not alien territory for us but we need to educate people about the potential that it has.”

Sales director Mark Howsen added: “Wii was deliberately pick up and play. We completely understand that and, let’s be honest, they’ve done a superb job.

“I think with Move it’s all about appealing to skill. It’s about the learning curve that’s built into the experience. It provides that satisfaction you’re talking about. The more you play the better you get. That’s part and parcel of the traditional gaming experience.”

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/39200/Sony...not-Wii-on-PS3