LOST FINALE!!!!

[manasecret]

Epic. I loved the episode. And the ending with Jack dying was touching.

Originally Posted by Teuthida

Good ep up to the last 10 min.

So it was purgatory afterall? Which the writers denied? They could have created a much better narrative if it was all going to lead up to them meeting up and being enveloped by a white light. Time travel, electromagnetism, polar bears...all pointless.

Maybe I'm confusing your thoughts here, but the whole island and all was not "purgatory", just the sideways universe was.

Originally Posted by Professor S

On a side note, I thought they handled Ben Linus well, but what happened to so many of the other castaways that never made it to the church? Echo?

These were some of my biggest questions at the end. But I think they touched on this. When they ran into Ana Lucia, I believe Desmond said she wasn't ready. Also, Ben knows the truth, but says he is not ready. I think perhaps for some, the island wasn't their defining moment in life, and so the gathering with the other survivors to move on wasn't their gathering. However, for some I would question that, such as Echo.

Btw, I heard this morning on the news that they left enough unanswered questions that they're going to have explanation shows next season. Such as, "How I Met the Smoke Monster" and such.

I have not checked if this is true. I'm assuming it's a joke until proven otherwise.

[Teuthida]

Originally Posted by manasecret

Maybe I'm confusing your thoughts here, but the whole island and all was not "purgatory", just the sideways universe was.

Which is why the writers did a crap job. If the island was purgatory, the show they started with would have made a lot of sense. They kept flashing back to their lives before the island showing their mistakes and flaws, and then working out similar things on the island. Nice and neat.

So then they go ahead and make the island the real world (with all its magic, demigods, and unexplainable nonsense) and create another world which basically just does the same thing except in reverse (and in one season) and makes everything before it a mess and completely void.

If Flocke did manage to get off the island, what then? Nothing. That whole storyline is pointless. I bet if you sat the writers down and forced them to explain everything at gunpoint they couldn't. They know less than the people they led on for six years. They can write good characters and create good mysteries (anyone can create a good mystery if there was never an answer to it to begin with) but boy do they suck at weaving a good story.

EDIT: And if they had any forethought at all, the time traveling would have worked really well with how in the finale different events happen at different times in the real world yet converge in the alt (Jack's bleeding, Hurley and Ben's little talk about being number 1 and 2). Missed opportunity. The whole show was a missed opportunity.

[manasecret]

Originally Posted by Teuthida

Which is why the writers did a crap job. If the island was purgatory, the show they started with would have made a lot of sense. They kept flashing back to their lives before the island showing their mistakes and flaws, and then working out similar things on the island. Nice and neat.

IMHO, nice and neat is overrated. I'm all for leaving things like life, a little messy, and a little lost. (sorry)

So then they go ahead and make the island the real world (with all its magic, demigods, and unexplainable nonsense) and create another world which basically just does the same thing except in reverse (and in one season) and makes everything before it a mess and completely void.

Everything that happened on the island I think is hardly a void. The island essentially saved all of the main characters. It brought them purpose and love. The island goes on, other stories go on, but the stories of the characters in our story, are complete. They were saved because of the island.

If Flocke did manage to get off the island, what then? Nothing. That whole storyline is pointless.

Disagree. I think it's assumed that Jacob was right in the end, that if Flocke was released, it would be the end of the world. But this is a plot that deals directly with a main theme. Faith. Jacob, Jack, Hurley, they all did their duty based on faith, like Desmond pressing the button.

I bet if you sat the writers down and forced them to explain everything at gunpoint they couldn't. They know less than the people they led on for six years. They can write good characters and create good mysteries (anyone can create a good mystery if there was never an answer to it to begin with) but boy do they suck at weaving a good story.

EDIT: And if they had any forethought at all, the time traveling would have worked really well with how in the finale different events happen at different times in the real world yet converge in the alt (Jack's bleeding, Hurley and Ben's little talk about being number 1 and 2). Missed opportunity. The whole show was a missed opportunity.

Well, can't disagree more, but that's all personal opinion. If they did the ending you wanted, how many others wouldn't have liked that ending? I went along for the ride, and enjoyed every bit of it.

[Teuthida]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

When you have a show where the big draw was for fans to create theories and pieces together snippets and hints of a grand mystery....that ends up never to be explained (or rather never existed)...it's pretty disappointing.







I missed the show. Were the interviews any good?

[Fox 6]

They were

Also i cant wait for Josh Holloways new project. Snakes on a plane 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[Typhoid]

I look at the end like this:

Draw your own conclusions. I think that's one of the reasons why they didn't answer how the Island is the Island, or Jacob is 'magic'. You can think what you want to about those things, because they're arbitrary to the characters themselves. If you wanted it to be electromagnetism, then believe that's what it was. If you think Jacob and his brother were demi-Gods, then believe they were demi-gods.

If you wanted the show to be answered with science and science alone, maybe you just weren't watching when Walt could read minds and showed up randomly, or when Jack's dad appeared in the first season after being dead, or when Jacob was mysteriously off Island randomly, or when Richard never aged, or when Ben was transported to a desert in Africa directly from the Island or even when Desmond doesn't die when exposed to any of the 'electromagnetism'. Maybe after finding out the main evil thing in the first 2 seasons is a clicking pillar of smoke that kills everything it touches and the Island isn't reachable except by one bearing, and appears to appear and disappear - you had your eyes closed. Who knows.

Weeks ago I (believe I posted, as well) said something like:

"I think the end will come down to people being like Locke, or Jack. Some people will just take what is happening as 'faith' (Locke), and other people will require scientific/logical answers to everything (Jack)."

And that is exactly what it came down to for viewers.

The show wasn't about the Island in my mind, and it never was. The show was about the people. It just happened that the people wanted to figure out what the fuck was up with the Island, but it's more about their struggles in their lives, and them reconciling who they used to be and changing into who they are, mixed with them building strong bonds with one another through the struggles on the Island. The Island was just the setting for these people to change their lives on and let go of who they used to be, and realize their own flaws.

I also like how the whole show was basically Jack vs. Locke.
In the beginning Jack was the scientific-type person who needs a logical answer to everything, and Locke worked off of a 'believe' mentality. They clashed. Locke died. Locke was taken over by Smoke Monster. Jack essentially turned into Locke, saying there is a reason to the Island, and it must be protected, thusly fighting Flocke - who now takes the role as early season Jack trying to get off the Island at all costs.

And I really liked how it ended. A lot. I think it ended really, really well.
Then again, at no time during the show did I need answers to anything. I was invested in the characters.

I will definitely be watching this show again.

[Dylflon]

Alternate ending:

The whole thing was a crazy dream Vincent was having!