Buyng a Gun

[Fox 6]

Just curious, what are the background and waiting list laws in your state? or have you already stated them in the thread?

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Fox 6

Just curious, what are the background and waiting list laws in your state? or have you already stated them in the thread?

Nationally, I think it's 7 days with a few exceptions. I have no problem waiting and no problem with background checks. Hell, I'm not going to buy one for at least a few more months. I've been debating myself about it for a couple months as it is.

[Typhoid]

I'm confused. Are you saying that you are expecting more weapon proficiency from a civilian than a professional law enforcer?

I meant the exact opposite. I wouldn't want the skills police officers have to be held in the same regard as anyone else. I expect them to be much better than a civilian at their job, especially when it comes to wielding a firearm.

Could you give me feedback on the situations I detailed earlier? After much thought, I think these are realistic expectations to real life situations.

Why don't we just take it as the fact I live in Vancouver, Canada - and you live in the U.S.

For example, Police here don't shoot to kill, for one. They shoot to wound, because they want the person to stand trial, not die.

It's maybe not that I'm twisting my entire idea of the scenario itself, but rather the scenario itself is not likely to happen here.

Breaking and entering, of course that happens. But if you have an alarm, they always run away. I can't remember the last time I read a story that happened around here of someone going into a house, ignored the alarm and murdered a family. Or even someone who broke into an alarm-less house and murdered anyone for that matter.

I don't even remember the last time I read a story that happened around here where someones house got broken into and they all got raped.

The beauty of Canada, is that since guns are illegal, people who break and enter don't have them the vast majority of the time. The gangs have the guns, and they don't deal with B&E's. They deal with drugs and other gang-related things.

So as I said, it's not that I'm twisting my view of the scenario, it's that the scenario of someone breaking into your house armed with a gun and malicious intent isn't likely to happen around here.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

The beauty of Canada, is that since guns are illegal, people who break and enter don't have them the vast majority of the time. The gangs have the guns, and they don't deal with B&E's. They deal with drugs and other gang-related things.

So as I said, it's not that I'm twisting my view of the scenario, it's that the scenario of someone breaking into your house armed with a gun and malicious intent isn't likely to happen around here.

Ok, but I don't live in Canada, and to be honest my scenarios have nothing to do with nationality. These are situations that could happen to anyone, anywhere. In those scenarios, do you believe the response is legitimate, or not. If not, what would be your alternative.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Ok, but I don't live in Canada, and to be honest my scenarios have nothing to do with nationality. These are situations that could happen to anyone, anywhere. In those scenarios, do you believe the response is legitimate, or not. If not, what would be your alternative.

I'm well aware you don't live in Canada.
I do. Which is why I, and Dylan have a different view on these things.


Because when you said:

Could you give me feedback on the situations I detailed earlier? After much thought, I think these are realistic expectations to real life situations.

I thought "Wait a minute, that's not a realistic situation or response for me, I better explain why in order to make it valid", so I said:

Why don't we just take it as the fact I live in Vancouver, Canada - and you live in the U.S....It's maybe not that I'm twisting my entire idea of the scenario itself, but rather the scenario itself is not likely to happen here.

Those situations could happen anywhere, sure. Just like at any moment a Jumbo Jet can smash through anyones house at any given time.
But realistically, no - that scenario isn't likely to happen everywhere.

Like I was trying to say - our view is different on this because A) Guns are illegal, so people who break in don't have them - because people don't defend their houses with them B) People here don't break in with intent to kill, maim or rape - they break in with intent to steal shit and will flee if you wake up, or they hear your voice.

I don't know why you seem to think Canada is the same as the US in this aspect, but you're mistaken. We have crime, and we have murder. But not like that. We use alarm systems for our cars, and houses. They work just fine.

Nobody I know who has an alarm has ever been broken into, and nobody I know has ever had the thought "I need a gun to protect my family because someone might try to murder or rape them." It doesn't happen here.

Like I said, difference of opinion based on the likelihood of situations.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

Nobody I know who has an alarm has ever been broken into, and nobody I know has ever had the thought "I need a gun to protect my family because someone might try to murder or rape them." It doesn't happen here.

Like I said, difference of opinion based on the likelihood of situations.

Typhoid, at this point I just think you're trying to avoid the question I asked. I asked you to respond to pretty specific scenarios, but you still seem stuck on location for some reason, so lets try this one:

Imagine you do live in America and as the stats I linked point out, people DO break in to assault and rape. Now what do you think about the scenarios I provided. Are they reasonable responses considering the situation?

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Professor S

Typhoid, at this point I just think you're trying to avoid the question I asked. I asked you to respond to pretty specific scenarios, but you still seem stuck on location for some reason, so lets try this one:

Imagine you do live in America and as the stats I linked point out, people DO break in to assault and rape. Now what do you think about the scenarios I provided. Are they reasonable responses considering the situation?

To be fair when you asked before you never said "Imagine you live in the US" you just said "Imagine if this is happening" which I can't do, because it's not probable for me.


Would I buy a gun to protect my family if I lived in the US? No. Maybe if I was getting broken into constantly, and the alarm system and deadbolt/latches clearly weren't doing their proper job - maybe I'd buy a gun, yes. But just as a "Hey, it could happen" type thing, I wouldn't. I stand firm on my comment of "guns are for hunting."

However assuming breaking and entering where murder and rape are common things, which they apparently are - I would move. What better way to protect your family from getting killed or raped than removing them from the situation itself.

I'd maybe like to mention that RCMP do in fact shoot to kill.

RCMP aren't 'cops'. They're the 'special cops'. I meant normal police officers.

[Combine 017]

Originally Posted by Typhoid

I'm well aware you don't live in Canada.
I do. Which is why I, and Dylan have a different view on these things.

I live in Canada too, im just down the street from you guys, but im fine with people owning guns. I plan to acquire one at some point in my life. Its just a lot harder to do in Canada.

[Typhoid]

Originally Posted by Combine 017

I live in Canada too, im just down the street from you guys, but im fine with people owning guns. I plan to acquire one at some point in my life. Its just a lot harder to do in Canada.

Which of the following do you plan to acquire a gun for though, Adam:

A) As a conversation piece
B) Just to have one
C) For hunting purposes
D) Because you're afraid someone might rape and kill your family


Edit: For clarification, the reason me and Dylan are against owning guns that are not for hunting is the following:

As soon as people have guns in their homes for protection (or any other purposes, really) people will start bringing guns to breaking and entering scenarios. They won't bring a knife to a gun fight. Guns beget guns, and then the cycle never ends, as we can see with the way it is in the US.