GOP Purity Test - Page 2

Bond · 11-30-2009, 01:56 PM

What's the point of posting these videos about Sarah Palin? Didn't she receive enough lambasting during the campaign?

TheGame · 11-30-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

What's the point of posting these videos about Sarah Palin? Didn't she receive enough lambasting during the campaign?

No she didn't, IMO.

As long as I feel she has a legit chance to run for national office again, she will continue to get this treatment. If she turned into a nobody who doesn't have a chance anymore (which she SHOULD be), then I wouldn't feel obligated to waste my time posting about her.

Jonbo298 · 11-30-2009, 06:05 PM

Wait, did she answer that question or not? My brain lost itself about 20 seconds in...

Bond · 11-30-2009, 06:43 PM

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No she didn't, IMO.

So the media went too easy on her? How so?

Was she treated more kindly in relation to Joe Biden?

TheGame · 11-30-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bond

So the media went too easy on her? How so?

Was she treated more kindly in relation to Joe Biden?

I don't believe that the media should be balanced, I belive that they should be in pursuit of the truth. And the truth is that Sarah Palin is an absolute joke. So I think it is the Media's job to expose her for what she is.

It's not like I linked a video to someone's opinion of her, she made herself look bad. And if I was the owner of any news station, I'd allow her on any time to answer these kind of questions so people understand what she is.

Bond · 11-30-2009, 07:38 PM

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I don't believe that the media should be balanced, I belive that they should be in pursuit of the truth. And the truth is that Sarah Palin is an absolute joke. So I think it is the Media's job to expose her for what she is.

It's not like I linked a video to someone's opinion of her, she made herself look bad. And if I was the owner of any news station, I'd allow her on any time to answer these kind of questions so people understand what she is.

Did Joe Biden, on the other hand, receive the proper amount of lambasting, too little, or too much?

TheGame · 11-30-2009, 08:24 PM

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Did Joe Biden, on the other hand, receive the proper amount of lambasting, too little, or too much?

Lambasting is a strong term to use for what the media does. I wouldn't even call what O'reily or Katie did to Palin lambasting. So I'm going to assume you're talking about the reaction from people.

Witht that said, I think that people got on Biden's case as much as he deserved. He was invited on many shows and did plenty of interviews where he didn't make a fool of himself. Unfortunately Palin is not capible of doing this, so she gets a lot more negative attention. And she deserved every bit of it.

Bond · 11-30-2009, 10:27 PM

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Lambasting is a strong term to use for what the media does. I wouldn't even call what O'reily or Katie did to Palin lambasting. So I'm going to assume you're talking about the reaction from people.

Witht that said, I think that people got on Biden's case as much as he deserved. He was invited on many shows and did plenty of interviews where he didn't make a fool of himself. Unfortunately Palin is not capible of doing this, so she gets a lot more negative attention. And she deserved every bit of it.

Well, here is how I see it. Palin was not the most qualified vice-presidential candidate ever, but I'm not so sure if Joe Biden was either. To be honest, I would be saddened if either ever attained the office of the Presidency. Palin received so much more flak because she is an average person, perhaps even a simpleton (which doesn't necessarily need to carry a negative connotation). What do elitists who write for The New Yorker and other such publications fear the most? The likable Republican. Hard to beat in an election. That being said, I like a lot of the elitists at The New Yorker, but it is important to look at the issue both ways.

Biden ranked near the bottom of his class when he studied at Delaware for his BA. He also attended a third-rate law school that any serious student should be able to gain admission to... he's not a mental giant by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is Palin, as I said, but one did receive quite the more negative coverage.

Clinton would have been a far more experienced and qualified choice over Biden, but she likely wasn't nominated because of Obama's ego and / or fear of her internally challenging him for the 2012 nomination. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Hillary replaces Joe for the 2012 run, provided she does not challenge him for the nomination.

Vampyr · 11-30-2009, 10:52 PM

One of the important aspects of picking a vice presidential running mate is choosing someone who at the very least doesn't do anything to make you look bad.

That being said...

TheGame · 12-01-2009, 03:06 AM

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Well, here is how I see it. Palin was not the most qualified vice-presidential candidate ever, but I'm not so sure if Joe Biden was either. To be honest, I would be saddened if either ever attained the office of the Presidency. Palin received so much more flak because she is an average person, perhaps even a simpleton (which doesn't necessarily need to carry a negative connotation). What do elitists who write for The New Yorker and other such publications fear the most? The likable Republican. Hard to beat in an election. That being said, I like a lot of the elitists at The New Yorker, but it is important to look at the issue both ways.

Biden ranked near the bottom of his class when he studied at Delaware for his BA. He also attended a third-rate law school that any serious student should be able to gain admission to... he's not a mental giant by any stretch of the imagination. Neither is Palin, as I said, but one did receive quite the more negative coverage.

Clinton would have been a far more experienced and qualified choice over Biden, but she likely wasn't nominated because of Obama's ego and / or fear of her internally challenging him for the 2012 nomination. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Hillary replaces Joe for the 2012 run, provided she does not challenge him for the nomination.

Joe Biden has been in office since 1973. The only person who was compareable to him in experience was John Mccain. And guess what? John Mccain has a good 10+ years less experience in washington.

And you talk about which college he went to... which college did John Mccain go to? Where did he rank in his class? Last time I checked it wasn't Ivy league, and there wasn't even a dozen students who did worse then him in his class. (While Biden did better then only 15 dozen people in his class that was a good 200 students smaller then Mccains)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mc..._and_education

We can go off subject about Biden all day, and his experience or qualifications. But he's easily a step ahead of Mccain, Palin, Clinton, or Barrack Obama himself on paper. What he lacks in education, he can make up for with experience. But the fact is, none of that matters.

The real difference between Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, is Joe Biden knows how to answer easy political questions and Sarah Palin doesn't. If you go back and look at old threads when Sarah Palin was picked, and see my reaction to it.. you can see that I clearly wanted to give her a chance. In fact, I went as far to bash the media's first reaction to her, and said they were picking on her because she's a woman. (go ahead and search it, it's in the record books)

But then I heard her speak for herself, and I realized that her even being considered for national office was a huge mistake. If she was really qualified for the job, and really smart, and was media savy, then she'd be as legitamate of a canadate as anyone else (see Barrack Obama). But she proved quickly that she clearly lacks the knowlege to carry such a job.

If Barrack Obama had an interview with Katie Couric that went the same way or would have treated the presidential debate as a joke like she did, he would have been harassed just as much. If John Mccain did, he would too. If Biden did, he would to. But they didn't, and she did. The problem isn't the media and how "fair" their coverage is, the problem is Sarah Palin.

Dylflon · 12-01-2009, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bond

Well, here is how I see it. Palin was not the most qualified vice-presidential candidate ever, but I'm not so sure if Joe Biden was either. To be honest, I would be saddened if either ever attained the office of the Presidency. Palin received so much more flak because she is an average person, perhaps even a simpleton (which doesn't necessarily need to carry a negative connotation). What do elitists who write for The New Yorker and other such publications fear the most? The likable Republican. Hard to beat in an election. That being said, I like a lot of the elitists at The New Yorker, but it is important to look at the issue both ways.

Whoa dude...I don't think 'elitists' are afraid of her. I could not imagine her being politically threatening to anyone.

The reason people insult her is because she's an awful public speaker who comes off as quite dumb as she spits out buzz phrases and fails to answer the actual questions posed to her.

Who the hell are these "elitists" anyways? Is elitist is now a negative term used by Republicans to refer to educated people? I remember in the Obama run, when people brought up his education, Fox News would refer to him as an elitist. It's just another new buzz word that we'll hear used over and over again. And it's a shame because being smart should not have negative connotations.

I was actually surprised by your comment here, Bond.

Also: Being a simpleton is a negative thing in politics. Common sense, small town values, and a can-do maverick attitude should not qualify someone to be a politician. Not to say that these are bad things but they need to be coupled with intelligence and communicative abilities.

Typhoid · 12-01-2009, 09:13 AM

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What do elitists who write for The New Yorker and other such publications fear the most? The likable Republican. Hard to beat in an election.

I would just like to point out that the only people who seemingly like Sarah Palin, like her because she's just so damn easy to pick apart.

Professor S · 12-01-2009, 09:58 AM

As for the media bias concerning Palin as opposed to Biden, it's obvious and doesn't warrant discussion, IMO. Biden is an experienced buffoon. Palin is just an inexperienced naive. Neither are qualified but one at least has an excuse...

I think the media went after Sarah Palin for multiple reasons, and I'll list them in order:

1) She was unprepared for the office of Vice President. If she had aced or at least been passable in the Katie Couric interview, there would be no issue (or at least far less of one). It was a disaster. She gave those that were drooling at the thought of criticizing her all the ammo they needed.

2) She represents a part of America that the left and even NE Republicans simply do not understand. As a result, I think there is an element of almost xenophobia regarding her sudden rise and popularity, and also a tendency to dismiss her/mock her and her supporters because they don't know what to make of the phenomenon. I think this is where the term "elitist" comes from that Bond intoned.

3) She is a female Republican, and therefore a "traitor". For a while now it has been difficult for minorities and women to "come out" as Republicans because if they do they somehow are viewed an not being authentically female, black, etc. This is especially true of black Republicans.

4) She is an easy target with her accent and "folksiness".

In any case, she needs to diminish her publicly facing role in the party, if she cares about the health of her party. She attracts the social/religious base, but damages the attraction to moderates and fiscal Republicans and with the level of media scrutiny she attracts she is a distraction and prevents attention being made for real ideas to be presented by the GOP.

TheGame · 12-01-2009, 11:31 AM

The funny thing in this all, is that I'm a social conservative.. and I am against her. I think it'd be a disaster if someone like Sarah Palin became the president. I think she ruins the reputation of the republican party and actually helps the left. From a politics standpoint, I don't think that the dems are 'afraid' of her.

I'm afraid that the republican party will make itself even more irrelevant if they allow her to run in 2012, and on the same token I'm afraid that people might actually be stupid enough to vote for her over Obama, or feel that they have no choice... and get her elected.

Dedicated republicans should be afraid that she makes people like me feel like we have no choice but to vote for Obama. Which would be exactly what she does if she runs in 2012.. and exactly what she did to a lot of republicans in 2008.

So as I said, the fact that she's still a good possibility for 2012 makes me feel obligated to point out her downfalls to people I know. I welcome a reasonable canidate from the republican party to run, but she shouldn't even be considered. IMO