Fox News

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Aww I wanted you to do it for entertainment value. As Mr. Colbert said.. reality has a well known liberal bias. So its hard for real news not to sound bias!

And yes, I find sourcing Colbert in a discussion on bias to be hilariously ironic as well. Do you often confuse satire with facts? How many other comedians do you get your news from? Does Dane Cook give you weather reports?

By the way, lets not attack the messangers, and attack the message. Who cares if Jon Stewart noticed the flaw in their reporting. If any other reporter, comedian, or drunk person caught it, it would not change the underlying facts. And these are not opinions that are being slanted, they're lying and presenting these things as facts.

I have a lot more examples of Fox being biased on their 'news' in my bag. I don't even think MSNBC compares.

As I said, if you want to continue to make a meaningless comparison, continue to do so. There are plenty of examples on both sides if you want to have a fair mind about the comparison, but you don't want to have a fair mind, you simply want to "win" regardless of if your comments have any bearing on the conversation at hand (you tend to do this a lot). You want to argue your world view, damn the topic being discussed, inconvenient facts or objective thought.

Just please realize that you do so only to excuse the fact that the news source you sympathize with is biased (self-delusion is a character trait I can't stomach). Pointing out the bias of another source does not excuse the bias of the one you happen to like. Thats the only point I've made in the entirety of our discussion and a point you have yet to address in any meaningful way. Instead you continue to attack Fox instead of answering to the points I've raised. In effect, you're the best example I could wish for to defend my assertions!

Game, you are the case in point; exhibit "A", if you will. Thank you for illustrating my argument so well by simply existing.

Here's a concession to hopefully get you to focus on the conversation at hand: FoxNews is more biased than MSNBC. Now can you actually address the points I've brought up?

[thatmariolover]

I don't know if anybody saw but Fox news actually pulled a fact check on Sarah Palin. I was quite surprised.

[TheGame]

Well, personally I think you're simply avoiding posting any slanted news reported by MSNBC because you can't find it. That's just my theory until you post some. And I do have a fair mind about it, I don't really trust MSNBC either. They just don't try to twist facts to purposely be misleading as fox does on their real 'news' programs.

So you can keep avoiding it if you chose, I just am opening up the forum for us to laugh at MSNBC as we laugh at fox. If its really compareable...

I just don't think it is compareable, except on its opinion shows. And you really haven't posted anything to sway me otherwise.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by thatmariolover

I don't know if anybody saw but Fox news actually pulled a fact check on Sarah Palin. I was quite surprised.

Something tells me it wasn't Sean Hannity who did it... And yes, I think he's an idiot too.

There is a diversity of opinion on FoxNews, and not just in who they invite to contribute to their broadcasts. They are conservative, obviously, but there is also a diversity of conservative belief, especially when it comes to people like Sarah Palin as politicians (she is everything I hate about social conservatives). If you haven't noticed, there is a idealogical war going on in the Republican party right now. (I skew libertarian/fiscal conservative with approval of some social constructs (public education) and mainly favoring individual freedom over governmental control. That said, there are MANY modern conservatives who rub me the wrong way because they want as much control as leftists, but over different things.)

For me, I tend to watch the 6:00pm broadcast pretty regularly (and CNN during the day when I work from home, Sanchez does offer the left bias to even things out). It's 90% news (with usually a little conservative wit thrown in at the end of segments) with conservative based commentary at the end of the broadcast from a panel, but with usually one democrat present to contribute (like Juan Williams from, NPR). Plus, it has Charles Krauthammer, who I think is the most important conservative pundit out there today and the one I identify with the most.

It's about what/who you choose to consume. If you want to watch Hannity and the like expect a hard right bias with the potential for misstatements and "abused facts". But it's Sean Hannity... what would you expect? He obviously preaches to the choir who just want to hear like-minded rhetoric.

I suppose avoiding bias these days is impossible. We just need to be aware that regardless of the source, it's there, and we need to be conscious of it.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Well, personally I think you're simply avoiding posting any slanted news reported by MSNBC because you can't find it.

Well you'd be wrong. You should be used to that by now.

That's just my theory until you post some. And I do have a fair mind about it, I don't really trust MSNBC either. They just don't try to twist facts to purposely be misleading as fox does on their real 'news' programs.

I clearly posted why it's off topic, but I also posted how to get it if you want to. It's not hard, but you've never been one to work hard, or at all, to correct yourself.

So you can keep avoiding it if you chose, I just am opening up the forum for us to laugh at MSNBC as we laugh at fox. If its really compareable...

I just don't think it is compareable, except on its opinion shows. And you really haven't posted anything to sway me otherwise.

You can continue to have this fictional discussion if you like, but it has nothing to do with what I've been posting since the beginning of this thread. I even conceded that FoxNews is more biased that MSNBC. What else do you want me to say that will actually get you to answer anything I've written!?! How about this:

CONGRATULATIONS! You've won the argument that you've been having with yourself! You are the King!

Now would you mind joining the discussion I've been trying to have for the past two pages of posts?

Once again, you are a perfect illustration of every point I've made so far! You use every opportunity to avoid the discussion and instead deflect back to Fox, when all I've said is that people do EXACTLY what you're doing right now! This is amazing! You're completely ignorant of the fact that you're even doing it!

[TheGame]

Once again, you avoid backing up your claims that its easy to find examples of slanted news being on MSNBC. You're trying to change the subject because you can't find it.

The funny thing is, you're the person who turned the conversation into being about Fox vs MSNBC with your posts in this thread and by making the MSNBC thread. And you've yet to present a shred of evidence that they have slanted news.

So no, until you can back up your claims, I'm not going to accept "comparing the level of bias of FoxNews and MSNBC is like comparing the level of genocide of Hitler and Stalin. The answer is meaningless due to the severity of crimes on both sides" (your quote) as a fact.

So you can make all the evasive posts you want for the arguement you started, but I'm just going to continue calling you out until you back up your own claims.

Honestly I'm really interested to see what you found on 'the other side'. It's not like my feelings would be hurt if you showed me more of how MSNBC has a liberal slant to it. But once again, I just expect you to run, because you don't have any evidence.

[Professor S]

Originally Posted by TheGame

Once again, you avoid backing up your claims that its easy to find examples of slanted news being on MSNBC. You're trying to change the subject because you can't find it.

I feel no need to point out that the sky is blue.

The funny thing is, you're the person who turned the conversation into being about Fox vs MSNBC with your posts in this thread and by making the MSNBC thread. And you've yet to present a shred of evidence that they have slanted news.

No, I pointed out that people just like you can't accept the idea of another channel being biased besides FoxNews (if they have a liberal slant, especially). Once again, thanks for proving my point.

So no, until you can back up your claims, I'm not going to accept "comparing the level of bias of FoxNews and MSNBC is like comparing the level of genocide of Hitler and Stalin. The answer is meaningless due to the severity of crimes on both sides" (your quote) as a fact.

Just like it's a fact that the sky is blue. I don't need to post a picture of it. You just need to look for yourself, like I've asked you to do if you really are so unconvinced.

So you can make all the evasive posts you want for the arguement you started, but I'm just going to continue calling you out until you back up your own claims.

I told you where to look. I don't need to do anything more than that. Even if I did post some examples, how would you respond? Would you uddenly admit that you're wrong? That would be a first, so the endeavour is pointless and would only serve to continue this nonsense and further your goal of sending this discussion even more off topic.

Try looking for information that's contrary to your own opinion. It might enlighten you.

Honestly I'm really interested to see what you found on 'the other side'. It's not like my feelings would be hurt if you showed me more of how MSNBC has a liberal slant to it. But once again, I just expect you to run, because you don't have any evidence.

Honstly, you have zero interest in any of it. If you did, you would have already googled it just like asked. It took me all of 3 seconds. You even said youself that you don't trust MSNBC, so why are you so convinced I couldn't find any examples? You seem more content with continuing a failed/irrelevant argument than searching out anything new.

You are simply an impossible person who makes obvious attempts to manipulate conversations so you can avoid anything you find unpleasant. You're not dumb, you're just willfully ignorant, or ever worse you find more value in continuing an argument for it's own sake then using the debate to enlighten yourself or others.

[TheGame]

I looked and didn't find any slanted news. I found lots of people who are against MSNBC opinion shows, but I did not find any outright lies in their news reporting. All I'm asking for is one example.. and you can't provide that. But you turn around and say its just as much as a fact as the sky is blue.

Your whole arguement is invalid.

If its so easy to put MSNBC news in the same category as fox, but on the other side of the isle.. do it.