Mafia Round 3 – The Tide of Fate Turns

[Angrist]

Originally Posted by Teuthida

so there would probably be a hit on him next round if the votes don't get him.

That's what we've been saying for 2 rounds now.

As I posted in the previous round, I don't think Dylflon is the guy to play it open. He's one to play it smart. Smart and mean.

!vote Dylflon

Also:

Originally Posted by BLueFire

This makes Dyl look incredibly bad, and yet, I'm almost sure he's not one of the mafia.

Originally Posted by Teuthida

Not going to vote for Dylflon because if he is indeed the seer we're playing into the mafia's hands.

Seriously, if you were Mafia and you knew the special role of somebody, could you resist the temptation of killing him? Would you want him seering people every round, while you waited for the mob to turn on him sooner or later?

In his defense, if he were mafia, why would he reveal his role in the first round? But hey, it's his job to defend himself, not mine.

[jeepnut]

Originally Posted by Angrist

That's what we've been saying for 2 rounds now.

As I posted in the previous round, I don't think Dylflon is the guy to play it open. He's one to play it smart. Smart and mean.

!vote Dylflon

Also:


Seriously, if you were Mafia and you knew the special role of somebody, could you resist the temptation of killing him? Would you want him seering people every round, while you waited for the mob to turn on him sooner or later?

In his defense, if he were mafia, why would he reveal his role in the first round? But hey, it's his job to defend himself, not mine.

They didn't kill him the first round because the guardian was still alive and they didn't want to waste a kill. And I'm betting they didn't kill him the second round because they figured we would do it for them. I would be willing to bet that if he's not winning the vote by the end of this round, they kill him. Honestly, it makes sense to keep him alive since much of the group doesn't trust him and it is consuming all of our attention.

It's entirely possible that he's been fooling us, but I don't think so. I would have expected the real seer to make contact with someone by now especially since they should have found someone they can trust through their seer abilities.

No, our real enemy right now is the one leading this voting effort.

!vote BreakaBone

[BreakABone]

Originally Posted by jeepnut

They didn't kill him the first round because the guardian was still alive and they didn't want to waste a kill. And I'm betting they didn't kill him the second round because they figured we would do it for them. I would be willing to bet that if he's not winning the vote by the end of this round, they kill him. Honestly, it makes sense to keep him alive since much of the group doesn't trust him and it is consuming all of our attention.

It's entirely possible that he's been fooling us, but I don't think so. I would have expected the real seer to make contact with someone by now especially since they should have found someone they can trust through their seer abilities.

No, our real enemy right now is the one leading this voting effort.

!vote BreakaBone

How am I leading the voting effort?
I haven't even voted yet?

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by jeepnut

They didn't kill him the first round because the guardian was still alive and they didn't want to waste a kill. And I'm betting they didn't kill him the second round because they figured we would do it for them. I would be willing to bet that if he's not winning the vote by the end of this round, they kill him. Honestly, it makes sense to keep him alive since much of the group doesn't trust him and it is consuming all of our attention.

It's entirely possible that he's been fooling us, but I don't think so. I would have expected the real seer to make contact with someone by now especially since they should have found someone they can trust through their seer abilities.

No, our real enemy right now is the one leading this voting effort.

!vote BreakaBone

Wait a minute, what? They don't know who the people with special powers are...the idea that they didn't kill the seer in order to kill the guardian doesn't make any sense.

!retract Dylflon for now

[Vampyr]

After pondering for a few seconds, I have decided Jeepnut is trying to protect Dylflon with weird theories.

!vote Dylflon

[jeepnut]

Originally Posted by Vampyr

Wait a minute, what? They don't know who the people with special powers are...the idea that they didn't kill the seer in order to kill the guardian doesn't make any sense.

!retract Dylflon for now

I never said that.

I said that they didn't kill Dylflon because he had publically asked the Guardian to protect him and thus knew that an attack on Dylflon would likely be a waste.

I doubt they knew who the guardian was unless they had someone in contact with him. My assumption is that killing the guardian was a lucky guess.

[Vampyr]

Originally Posted by jeepnut

I never said that.

I said that they didn't kill Dylflon because he had publically asked the Guardian to protect him and thus knew that an attack on Dylflon would likely be a waste.

I doubt they knew who the guardian was unless they had someone in contact with him. My assumption is that killing the guardian was a lucky guess.

Plausible, but the seer is a pretty useless power anyway since we can't trust anything he says (especially now). We've already got one Mafia, we could kill Dylflon this time and BaB next if we are wrong.

[BlueFire]

For the BaB vote, I need to see some evidence or reasoning before casting my vote for him right now. True, I voted for him last round, but as I read the posts this round, I'm finding the sudden collective movement to eliminate BaB very suspicious (especially due to the lack of actual reasoning).

Originally, I was going to vote for Angrist since he seems so convinced that Dylflon should be killed off this round (and I'm almost sure if we vote him, we're going to kick ourselves in the ass).

But then I saw jeepnut starting the BaB movement:

Originally Posted by jeepnut

They didn't kill him the first round because the guardian was still alive and they didn't want to waste a kill. And I'm betting they didn't kill him the second round because they figured we would do it for them. I would be willing to bet that if he's not winning the vote by the end of this round, they kill him. Honestly, it makes sense to keep him alive since much of the group doesn't trust him and it is consuming all of our attention.

It's entirely possible that he's been fooling us, but I don't think so. I would have expected the real seer to make contact with someone by now especially since they should have found someone they can trust through their seer abilities.

No, our real enemy right now is the one leading this voting effort.

!vote BreakaBone

Your theory sounds convincing, but nothing has led me to believe that BaB is evil. Not even Ric's rallying last round. I declare that BaB defends himself here and now before we go ahead and lose another valuable member to the mafia.

But before I end this post, I'm going to cast the vote for "the one leading this voting effort:"

!vote jeepnut

EDIT: BaB just posted his defense.. reading it now
EDIT 2: My vote stays.. for now.

[Vampyr]

We have an interesting scenario here. I agree that it is suspicious that Jeepnut suddenly decided to attack BaB.

Here's what I'm wondering:

If Jeepnut is in the Mafia, then he would know if Dylflon is or is not. If Dylflon is not in the Mafia, why would he risk himself to go after BaB? He wouldn't, he would let this round be an easy out for the mafia to get someone that everyone already suspects.

If Dylflon is in the Mafia, and Jeepnut is as well, then it makes sense to at least try to save him.

On the other hand, Jeepnut could not be in the mafia, and he just believes in Dylflon. However, his reasoning was a little weird, especially BaB didn't really start the movement to oust Dylflon, so it seems like he is reaching for a reason to go after BaB, and is basing his choice because Ric may have garnered suspicion for him already.

So all in all, I think Dyl and Jeepnut look the most suspicious here. We should probably vote one out, but I would encourage the vigilante to NOT kill the other one. This way if we end up being wrong about one, we probably won't be wrong about both. If we are right about Dylflon though, then it may be safe to vote Jeepnut off, since it would be pretty obvious that he was trying to save him this round. But, if we are wrong about Dylflon, then it will be obvious that Jeepnut is -not- in the Mafia, since he was trying to save him.

And even if Dylflon really is the seer, that is a useless power since it requires us to trust him, which we obviously don't.