Happy Gay Pride Month everybody!

The Germanator · 06-04-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Yes. I mean...I love LGBT pride. Everyone should be proud of who they are, or their race, or their culture, or whatever. We should also celebrate humanity though. I have mixed opinions on pride/history months because in the process of trying to balance the scale of equality you give one group special privilege for one month which doesn't necessarily send a message of equality. Nothing says "LGBT" people are equal to you an I like a month of people flaunting bracelets and parades and then hiding all that stuff in a closet for 11 more months. Ideally people would be proud of who they are every month, not just one. Just like how black history month should really be trying to push for black history year where black education is integrated properly into a broken as fuck US History curriculum. But that's neither here nor there.

I was just poking a little jest at the absurdity of it all. I doubt we will see resolution in our lifetime. Germy, I think most people are good people and they love their fellow man. I think we just get distracted by things like skin color and genital preference.

I think I get what you are saying with absurdity of it all. At least for me, the whole idea of the discrimination in the first place is the most insane part of it. So, in a way, I'm glad that the LGBT community expresses themselves in parades and gets their own months or whatever. If it makes certain religious groups or intolerant people squirm, then awesome. I hope they get nervous and think that the country is crumbling because gays can marry. I like the idea that people who exclude and discriminate are made uncomfortable by people of the same sex being in love. It's crazy to me that many still feel that way, but so it goes, and I do hope that things change for the better by the end of my life.

And Typhoid, I disagree with your general idea. BTW, Asians and Hispanics do have their own months here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...Heritage_Month and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...Heritage_Month

Anyway, White people don't need a month because we're aren't a minority and we're everywhere. Think about it, as recent as the 60's people discriminated horribly against Blacks and other races, and many people still do to this day. Not being one of these races, I have no idea what Black history might mean to another Black person, but I'm sure as hell it means a lot more to them than you and I and that's a good thing. Again, maybe not, maybe some just want to look to the future. Same goes for the other races. It's just kind of uniting force for some, and why shouldn't they have that? I understand, that yeah, "why can't we all just be North Americans", and we are, but there's history there that can't just be swept aside that is specific to those races. Also, I think our generation does see race as less of an issue, but we've got to remember that previous ones did and I think that's why it's important to recognize the past in that regard.

KillerGremlin · 06-04-2009, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Germanator

Anyway, White people don't need a month because we're aren't a minority and we're everywhere. Think about it, as recent as the 60's people discriminated horribly against Blacks and other races, and many people still do to this day. Not being one of these races, I have no idea what Black history might mean to another Black person, but I'm sure as hell it means a lot more to them than you and I and that's a good thing. Again, maybe not, maybe some just want to look to the future. Same goes for the other races. It's just kind of uniting force for some, and why shouldn't they have that? I understand, that yeah, "why can't we all just be North Americans", and we are, but there's history there that can't just be swept aside that is specific to those races. Also, I think our generation does see race as less of an issue, but we've got to remember that previous ones did and I think that's why it's important to recognize the past in that regard.

Actually by 2050 white people will be the minority in America. Then do we get our own white pride month? lol

Seriously though. Racism is defined as:
- the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
- discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

Isn't giving people special treatment (like affirmative action, or pride months) a form of discrimination? We are singling out a group of people instead of embracing equality. =/

Again, there's a ton of gray area with the issue which is why I don't oppose pride parades or pride/history months or affirmative action 100%. But I look at these things with what I believe to be objective criticism. I hope one day we can move beyond a solution that involves singling out a group of people and giving them special treatment. Maybe one day we can just look at everyone as people, you know human beings, rather than a gay human or a black human or an Asian human etc. This hippy-BS dream of mine will never come true though because of culture and religion wars.

I do agree though, it is nice to see the anti-LGBT people squirm at the pride parades

It's also great to be bringing the LGBT issue into a national forum of discussion.

And DimHalo, come to Chicago. It has a thriving LGBT community and we are definitely not backwards (most of Illinois is pretty forward-thinking) except for some of the bumb fuck country hick towns.

KillerGremlin · 06-04-2009, 01:41 PM

Whew, time to plug my new thread in my LGBT support thread:
http://www.gametavern.net/forums/sho...983#post251983

Dylflon · 06-05-2009, 05:54 AM

I stopped reading after Typhoid's first line so sorry if I'm repeating things:

The reason there's no celebration for being straight/white/middle class is that straight people and white people are not groups that have been openly discriminated against.

I think these months are a society's way of saying "It's cool guys, we won't persecute you for doing your thing. Get out there and be as gay/black/gay & black as you want."

PS:

I'm always proud of you KillerGremlin, no matter what month you're gay during.

KillerGremlin · 06-05-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

I'm always proud of you KillerGremlin, no matter what month you're gay during.

Thanks! That's all I ever asked for. Sometimes I feel like I get no respect around here.

Typhoid · 06-05-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylflon

I stopped reading after Typhoid's first line

Of course you did.

What else are friends for, other than belittling you over the internet.

Dylflon · 06-05-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Typhoid

Of course you did.

What else are friends for, other than belittling you over the internet.

I didn't mean to belittle you, you buttplug.

I was simply concerned that I knew where your bit against months dedicated to tolerance was going, and decided to post a wee bit about discrimination before skipping merrily to bed.

Edit:

After I read your post, it turns out I knew exactly where your argument was going and I would not alter my post in any way. I didn't mean to make you feel marginalized by a friend, and for that I am sorry. But I have known you long enough to know your brand of Carlin-esque humour that addresses the general absurdity while ignoring the actual roots of the issue. At least take solace that I know you well enough to complete your thoughts for you.