Murder or Pedophiliia

BreakABone · 03-26-2009, 09:09 PM

I had some time to waste this morning so picked up a couple of newspapers, and the main story in two of them was the murder of a local radio host.

Pretty standard stuff, I guess until I saw that he was murdered when he arranged for a 16 year old boy to come over to his house for some "rough" (newspapers words) sex and 60 bucks.

And I just found it weird, that even in light of the murder, none made the case that a almost 50 year old man was meeting a 16 year old. I mean there is little reason to damn the dead, but I guess the bulk of this thread is... what is the lesser of two evils?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c..._wabc_new.html

Teuthida · 03-27-2009, 12:33 AM

Murder can be honorable. Pedophiliia never.

Zen · 03-27-2009, 01:09 AM

I thik this works out great, the world is one pedophile less, and hopefully one potential serial killer less as well.

BreakABone · 03-27-2009, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Zen

I thik this works out great, the world is one pedophile less, and hopefully one potential serial killer less as well.

Now, I won't disagree with you on those points, I just meant the overall picture.

Linked to this story because it was the one that got me thinking.

GameMaster · 03-27-2009, 02:18 AM

That's a tough call.

Taking a life is horrible but so is screwing with a child.

Murder is a short-term experience for the victim but it haunts their family and friends forever. While pedophilia can be a long-lasting or life-long trauma for the victim.

I guess I'd have to say murder. There's no really no way to recover from that.

If a child is young enough and receives counseling afterward, they might manage to be able to lead a relatively normal life afterward.

KillerGremlin · 03-27-2009, 04:06 AM

50 and 16 isn't that bad.

How about when someone gets molested in the birth-12 bracket. When I was 16 I was pretty self-aware of my sexuality, I would argue most people are.

Would I rather be murdered or the victim of pedophilia......I'd say pedophilia.

BreakABone · 03-27-2009, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerGremlin

Would I rather be murdered or the victim of pedophilia......I'd say pedophilia.

Its kind of hard to be a victim of it at your age, you would have to commit it.
And you wouldn't say much if you were murdered.

I would agree with you, that at 16, the boy knew what he was getting himself into, I was just making the case that no one seemed to have mention that the reporter was in the wrong as well.

Did he deserve to die, of course not, but he wasn't being a moral and uplifting citizen when this happened.

Typhoid · 03-27-2009, 03:57 PM

Murder is "better" than pedophilia, barring that it's not the murder of a child/infant.

Fox 6 · 03-28-2009, 12:32 AM

Did any one else hear about that Hungarian man who locked his daughter under his house and fathered like 8 kids with her? Think one of them died too.

Now thats soooo sick

Szymon · 03-30-2009, 02:50 PM

As long as the old man never harmed anyone and his under age "victims" agreed to the sex and enjoyed it then who the fuck are you to tell either of these people what to do? If this was some sort of vigilante sting operation (I don't know because the article link didn't work) then it could very well be that the 16 year old kid contacted our sexual predator and offered the sex, in which case the only predator would be the murderer.

Sure it's weird for the old guy to have a taste for adolescent boys but does that justify murder? If you're truly against it and want to perform some sort of vigilante justice then take something precious from the guy like a couple of fingers or his dick, but as somebody who values their own life beyond anything else, I would never take that away from somebody else.

If the title of this article was Murder or Rape, that might be a different story. A rapist pedophile is a horrible person doing a horrible thing. However this man was not a pedophile, he was an ephebophile, which I can say I am too. Probably because that adolescent age range is only 1 year younger than me. And yea it's weird that he was paying for the sex, but that's not even illegal unless he was the person contacting random people money for sex (soliciting).

I am only 20 so for me to fuck a 16 year old would be weird, but not THAT weird. To pay for it would be even weirder, but not THAT weird. And for me to be 50 and do those things, well it would be THAT weird but not fucked up enough to justify a murder. Throw in the fact that he's gay and suddenly you have yourself a whole new level of hate, a level that shouldn't even exist but it does due to the insecurities and misunderstandings of the ignorant gay hating fucks out there.

In conclusion I'd fuck a 16 year old girl for $60 and it would be weird, but for an old man to fuck a 16 year old guy for $60 is enough to justify murder for some reason. If you plan on responding with "You'll understand when you get older." then you probably shouldn't respond at all because it would mean that all you've learned from getting older is how to hate and how to be ignorant at a socially acceptable level.

Szymon · 03-30-2009, 03:00 PM

PS: Jail bait is hot.

Bube · 03-30-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox 6

Did any one else hear about that Hungarian man who locked his daughter under his house and fathered like 8 kids with her? Think one of them died too.

Now thats soooo sick

I think that was an Austrian man. But yes, sick.

Szymon · 03-30-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bube

I think that was an Austrian man. But yes, sick.

Yea, the only thing Hungarian about him was that he was Hungary for incest.

BreakABone · 03-30-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Szymon

As long as the old man never harmed anyone and his under age "victims" agreed to the sex and enjoyed it then who the fuck are you to tell either of these people what to do? If this was some sort of vigilante sting operation (I don't know because the article link didn't work) then it could very well be that the 16 year old kid contacted our sexual predator and offered the sex, in which case the only predator would be the murderer.

Sure it's weird for the old guy to have a taste for adolescent boys but does that justify murder? If you're truly against it and want to perform some sort of vigilante justice then take something precious from the guy like a couple of fingers or his dick, but as somebody who values their own life beyond anything else, I would never take that away from somebody else.

If the title of this article was Murder or Rape, that might be a different story. A rapist pedophile is a horrible person doing a horrible thing. However this man was not a pedophile, he was an ephebophile, which I can say I am too. Probably because that adolescent age range is only 1 year younger than me. And yea it's weird that he was paying for the sex, but that's not even illegal unless he was the person contacting random people money for sex (soliciting).

I am only 20 so for me to fuck a 16 year old would be weird, but not THAT weird. To pay for it would be even weirder, but not THAT weird. And for me to be 50 and do those things, well it would be THAT weird but not fucked up enough to justify a murder. Throw in the fact that he's gay and suddenly you have yourself a whole new level of hate, a level that shouldn't even exist but it does due to the insecurities and misunderstandings of the ignorant gay hating fucks out there.

In conclusion I'd fuck a 16 year old girl for $60 and it would be weird, but for an old man to fuck a 16 year old guy for $60 is enough to justify murder for some reason. If you plan on responding with "You'll understand when you get older." then you probably shouldn't respond at all because it would mean that all you've learned from getting older is how to hate and how to be ignorant at a socially acceptable level.

In hindsight, I think posting to the article was a bad decision, as a lot of people seem to be sticking to that.

I just posted it because it was what got me thinking.

With that said, I won't necessarily agree with you, but I'm pretty sure disagreeing with you won't change your opinion.

I guess where I'm coming from since I work with teens and some of them have been sexually abused or taken advantage of by adults, I think pedophilia is an awful crime.

Now you said you would have no problem doing it with a 16 year old for cash, but what about a 12 year old or a 10 year old? I think 16 is a fairly reasonable age because most people at that time are at least informed enough to start making decisions on their own. Personally, I turn 24 this week, the only time I'm looking at 16 year olds is when they come nagging me for something at work, and even then will hardly speak to them.

Paying for sex, I don't see as a big deal either. Whether people want to admit it or not, everyone exchanges goods for sex. Its the reason guys take girls out on dates, its a bit more dressed up, but we pretty much all have the same goal in mind.

Szymon · 03-30-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BreakABone

In hindsight, I think posting to the article was a bad decision, as a lot of people seem to be sticking to that.

I just posted it because it was what got me thinking.

With that said, I won't necessarily agree with you, but I'm pretty sure disagreeing with you won't change your opinion.

I guess where I'm coming from since I work with teens and some of them have been sexually abused or taken advantage of by adults, I think pedophilia is an awful crime.

Now you said you would have no problem doing it with a 16 year old for cash, but what about a 12 year old or a 10 year old? I think 16 is a fairly reasonable age because most people at that time are at least informed enough to start making decisions on their own. Personally, I turn 24 this week, the only time I'm looking at 16 year olds is when they come nagging me for something at work, and even then will hardly speak to them.

Paying for sex, I don't see as a big deal either. Whether people want to admit it or not, everyone exchanges goods for sex. Its the reason guys take girls out on dates, its a bit more dressed up, but we pretty much all have the same goal in mind.

Quite honestly I wouldn't have sex with anyone for cash (yet), but I love playing devil's advocate even if only for the sake of argument.